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  1. HestiaGameStudio

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    I'm looking for a laptop that could be used to make a small-ish violent/gory multiplayer shooter with low poly graphics. I've looked at several options, but I'm not entirely sure what my best choice would be. I looked at the MSI GF63 Thin, and it has been a big contender for a while, but if you guys have anything else you might reccomend, let me know! (Budget is ~$1200, preferrably under 1K)

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  2. CodeSmile

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    Does it have to be a Laptop? For the same price you can get desktop components that are easily several times faster overall.

    You also have to consider the battery drain. If the laptop is advertised at "10 hours" then this is under no load at all. If you use Unity however, the CPU and GPU will be under constant load, the fans will spin a lot (noise) and its going to get hot (aka "laphot" :D ). All the while the battery will last for maybe 20% of the advertised time, or around the duration they advertise for high-end gaming use if such a spec is given.

    But generally you'll be doing okay with a gaming laptop like the GF63.
     
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  3. Ryiah

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    Wow, that has to be the cheapest gaming laptop that I have ever seen, but that's also understandable as the CPU is 3 to 5 years old and the GPU is 4 years old. My problem with it is I can't recommend the base model which is where the real savings are and the higher tier models are quickly outstripped by other budget laptops.

    https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GF63-9SC-068-i5-9300H-GeForce/dp/B07QD32VTT

    The base tier Acer Nitro 5 at $719 has a better CPU (12500H vs 9300H/11400H) and GPU (3050 vs 1650) than the base model of the GF63 at $609. It also has twice the storage and a better display. Its higher tier models have even better components. It's just all around a better device.

    The model linked below is the tier that I think is the best value for the series. For $781 you get the 12500H (4P/8E cores) which is better than the 13420H (4P/4E cores), it has the 3050 Ti, 512GB SSD, and 16GB RAM. Both of the cheaper models lose too much, and the higher tiers don't offer enough.

    I thought the GF63's $900 top tier model offering 64GB RAM and 2TB SSD was interesting but the CPU and the GPU just bring it down too much. RAM and SSD are user upgradeable in just about every Windows laptop. It's usually better to buy a model with less of each and upgrade them yourself to get a better CPU and GPU.

    https://www.amazon.com/AN515-58-57Y8-i5-12500H-GeForce-Display-Keyboard/dp/B0BSLWGFXD/
     
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  4. HestiaGameStudio

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  5. Meltdown

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    I don't know how much it costs in your country, but I bought the Acer Nitro 5 and have been very happy with it, for Unity dev, considering my main desktop development PC is a beast with a Ryzen 5950X CPU.
     
  6. Theta_

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    Thank you a lot for this very complete response.

    What do you think about this configuration?

    Did I pick some suboptimal parts? I Must admit that I'm a bit lost about this and I just picked based on benchmark, price and most popular.

    Also this is a bit over budget so if it is possible to downgrade some parts that don't make much a difference I'm taking it.

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  7. Antypodish

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    Looks OK. But I am don't know if best parts are selected for the price tag. I would need to lookup for benchmarks myself. Which you know it is a quite time consuming, to get most relevant parts to your build :)

    I would like someone's input as well, Bu if you budget low, I think you can reduce GPU family to lower one. Like 30xx series. You would need to see, if you gain 100$ on hat alternative.

    Other option, is to switch i7 to i5, but keep high frequency. It is fewer cores, but if you ho bist still and only entering professional work, may be sufficient for now. And maybe two years time you will be able affort easily an upgrade, if needed. Also regarding CPU, check if 12k, 13k or 14k differ anyhow in prices/performance. I think you can gain here another 100$ or so, on feeling with it.

    Basically, if you low on budget, you may need to sacrofice on latest top hardware. But instead focus on 1-2 years old generations, which are tested and proves to work on market. I usually try buy components, which are already on the market 1 after release. There is enough feedback by then.
     
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  8. Ryiah

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    That SSD is way too expensive for far too little storage. You can fill a drive these days so easily. My C drive is a 2TB SSD and with just the OS and my applications it's almost half full. You also don't need PCIe 5.0. A PCIe 4.0 drive like the Samsung 990 Pro and ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro are both cheaper and higher capacity.

    Everything else looks fine to me assuming that those are sensible prices for your country. I'm only really aware of prices in the United States.

    I just checked the prices for them and the 3060 and 4060 both start at €320. They're identical in performance but the 3060 has 12GB VRAM making it good for AI inferencing and the 4060 has newer gaming features like DLSS 3.

    That said if you want the best of both worlds and pay less a 4060 Ti 16GB is €120 less than the 4070. It can be noticeably slower though so at that point you may still want to consider the 4070 if you're intending to make and play graphically demanding games.

    Here's a review article with benchmarks showing all of the above cards.

    https://www.techspot.com/review/2701-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060/
     
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  9. Theta_

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    Thank you both for your advices.

    You are right the best way to reduce the budget was to downgrade the GPU. I can always buy a better one in a few years if needed. I bought a 4060.
     
  10. Whiskas009

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    Hi all! Now I'm looking for a laptop so that I can sometimes work outside the home. It should be relatively light and not very noisy. That's why I don't review gaming laptops.

    I'm going to do mostly not very demanding projects, for WEB GL, like Subway Surfers, jetpack joyride, Hill Climb Racing, LIMBO, etc. That is, mostly with simple low poly graphics and a small number of mechanics.

    What should be the minimum characteristics for normal operation?
    • Processor: is intel core i5 suitable? or do you need at least an i7, or should you consider Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7?
    • Video card: how hard will it be on a built-in video card, like amd radeon graphics, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, intel hd graphics, or do you need at least a simple discrete video card, like AMD Radeon 780M and nvidia geforce mx550
    • As far as RAM is concerned, it’s generally clear, most of these laptops have 16GB, but it’s better to find 32GB
    In general, my main goal is to understand what minimum characteristics are needed to work on similar, not very demanding projects.
     
  11. CodeSmile

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    For CPU make sure you understand the performance characteristics of the exact model. Passmark provides a reasonable assessment. An i5 can range anywhere from 5000 to 15000 passmarks (roughly), this primary classification like i5, i7 is still providing a very wide range of performance, and age.

    I would go for a discrete GPU simply because the integrated GPUs can have surprising limitations, if only memory access speeds due to shared memory.but again, check passmark for the exact model‘s rough performance stats. This helps weighing the various options.

    SSD is very important too, although you barely get any choice of manufacturer or model here. But stay away from HDDs and hybrids.

    For lightweight projects 16gb memory is fine unless you plan on multiple projects open simultaneously, or related apps like Photoshop and Blender.
     
  12. Whiskas009

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    Here are the processors to choose from:
     

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  13. Antypodish

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    If you got budget then go ahead with i7 or equivalent. But I think you would be good with i5, as long you got good clock speed.

    But as discussed, focus on dedicated GPU and ssd.Make sure you can have option to attach monitor. As you can this way turn laptop into workstation. Specially if you don't have desktop for such work at home.

    Also, depends where you plan to work and if having access to power mains, or not, consider battery capacity.
     
  14. Ryiah

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    A direct link to the store page would be preferrable. Without that the best advice I can give you is to check if the device has dedicated graphics. If it doesn't then the 6800H is better than the 12650H as AMD's integrated GPUs are generally more powerful. If it does have dedicated then they're about equivalent to each other.
     
  15. bouemama

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    hi,
    the editor Compiling Scripts raises my daily (stress/depression) i have to wait multiples seconds or minutes every single change even one click space => save (ctr+r) => wait Compiling..
    i heard about Assembly Definition solution but i prefer the hardware upgrade solution so please help with any advice .
    in project loading screen (with ssd device) i take a look at the cpu usage and realized that unity act as a single-threaded program so most the job attached to one single cpu.

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    I'm not sure if same happen when re-compiling using (ctr+r) after script update , i review this events and ask cause i building new custom pc and want to get ride from Compiling scripts boring duration (reduce it the maximum possible) and take right selection in hardware customization and spend on right component.
    - do i need to focus on single core CPU power or multiple core (Ex: i9-10900K vs i9-13900K)
    - does ddr4 vs ddr5 make any difference
    - what exactly the computer component responsible on this compiling process
    - does the GPU part of the job

    can you please suggest a perfect pc build for unity daily task thank you so much .
     
  16. Ryiah

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    Both, but you don't really have to worry about that as modern CPUs come with both assuming you don't buy the budget tier models (eg Intel i3 and Ryzen 3).

    Beyond that I don't recommend purchasing hardware that is more than one or two generations old (eg 5950X instead of the current 7950X) as you're simply giving up too much with the way hardware is currently advancing. It's not like it was a few years ago. Just going back one or two generations now can reduce performance by 50%.

    For example a 7950X (62,943 PassMark) is 50% faster than a 5950X (45,681). A 14900K (61,037) is three times as fast as a 10900K (22,962). AMD and Intel are roughly on par with each other. Choose whichever one you prefer the platform features of and can get the best deal.

    No. Just choose a decent amount of it. A 16GB kit is the absolute minimum for just running Unity. If you're like me and you run more than Unity don't go with less than 32GB. I'm on 64GB because I was running 32GB and saw 80% usage on a daily basis.

    If you think you might need more later buy that amount now. Inserting a second kit down the road is problematic and can lead to all kinds of problems (eg difficulties hitting rated speeds, blue screens, etc). If you find yourself having to do it you generally have to replace all of it.

    CPU, RAM, SSD.

    No.
     
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