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Will Visual Studio Code replace MonoDevelop

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by HRoland, Apr 29, 2015.

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Do you want this to happen as well? :)

  1. Gimme, gimme, gimme!

  2. Why not?

  3. I don't care.

  4. I'm fine with MonoDevelop.

  5. Don't you DARE replace MonoDevelop!

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  1. HRoland

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    FYI: Today on Build 2015 Microsoft announced Visual Studio Code which is like Visual Studio's code editing power + Sublime Text's lightness, flexibility and multiplatform capabilities.

    I have a feeling, that VS Code will be the default, included editor later in Unity.
    What do you guys think? :)

    Here is a download link: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=533688
     
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  2. Ostwind

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    There are already threads about this. It just an option during installer and probably wont be a default setting in future because a lot of people have another edition of Visual Studio installed, the community edition license can be too strict for different game studios and they will continue with MonoDevelop anyways cause of OSX.
     
  3. konsnos

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  4. dvirus1023

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    He is talking about the new Visual Studio Code, which is a lightweight code editor just released today.
     
  5. luispedrofonseca

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    Has someone tried this with a Unity project? I've been running away from MonoDevelop for the past few years (with Xamarin Studio and most recently with Sublime+Omnisharp) but this sounds like the ultimate solution for a Mac user!

    Can't wait to try it!
     
  6. tiggus

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    Looks like you can set breakpoints and do some basic debugging with it - if that's the case it would be a step up from Sublime, looking forward to trying it.
     
  7. Ostwind

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    Ah ok my mistake then :), I automatically assumed wrongly without reading too much that it was some misinformation news article just like the when .net open source news were posted by non tech sites etc.

    edit: seems weird that MS drum rolled the other edition around the net just a while ago as partnership news with various multiplatform engines and now release another edition(?)
     
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  8. Ostwind

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    Ok, I tried it quickly and as it says on the page it's a web code editor only and not much or any use in Unity world.

    (already got my hopes up for a visual studio c# like tool for mac :()
     
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  9. Seth-McCumber

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    Also confused that on the top it says "Build and debug modern web and cloud applications.". Is this simply the main purpose, but can be used for other things?
     
  10. Ostwind

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    It's not for .NET world so it does not support C# stuff other than syntax highlight for .cs file, no project support, no autocomplete, no refactoring tools or anything.

    Its a lightweighted html, css, js text editor and not sure at this point who would use it for even those at current state (it's preview version with very limited features).
     
  11. Ryiah

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    Doesn't interest me in the slightest. If I'm going to be using a tool restricted to Windows, I'll use the full VS IDE. :p
     
  12. dvirus1023

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    It is not restricted to windows. But in its current state, with it not being a full IDE it is not a Monodevelop replacement, but it could replace Sublime for the people that go that route. But it is a step in the right direction, and at some point we will have the full VS IDE on OSX and Linux.
     
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  13. Tanel

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    I mainly do that stuff with PHPStorm but it loads up faster than sublime on my system, so I'll probably replace it for opening single files for quick glances and small edits and such. So, basically a glorified notepad for now :p.
     
  14. Bradamante

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    Does this make sense for me as a Mac user, to replace MonoDevelop? I would like to try this out, but I would also appreciate some official word from the Unity Tech folks on this.
     
  15. Seth-McCumber

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    Not in the slightest. Go for Xamarin Studio
     
  16. Ryiah

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    Its a lightweight text editor, not a replacement for a full IDE.
     
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  17. dvirus1023

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    It is slightly more than a text editor, it offers Intellisense and debugging for certain langues/technologies. A pretty good start for now. Javascript, NodeJS and ASP.NET will be debuggable.

    Good for Unity, No.. Good for web developers.. Yes, very much so.
     
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  18. StarManta

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    EDIT: Very few of the things said in this post are accurate after you import the .sln file.

    ~~~

    My in-5-minutes review: seems incomplete, inconvenient, and buggy. Yes, even compared to MonoDevelop.

    It has an "error/warning" display, but doesn't seem to actually detect errors as far as I can tell.

    You have to Ctrl-Space to get Autocomplete to show up? How freaking inconvenient is that? Its autocomplete doesn't seem to have any content-awareness at all, either, including for variables that were locally declared (so it's not just a lack of importing the Unity libraries, etc). I don't know what this system is, but it sure as hell isn't Intellisense.

    A huge annoyance for me: Ctrl-backspace has some nonsensical behavior which I'm pretty sure is a bug, and Ctrl-arrow keys don't work at all. (In MonoDevelop, these operate on a "words within variable names" level)

    So, basically, it appears that they've stripped Visual Studio down to utter uselessness. Don't waste your time, or your optimism.
     
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  19. Bradamante

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    I was told here that Xamarin Studio and MonoDevelop are pretty much the same?

    Maybe, but some of the advertised features are more advanced than that?

    I mean, do you use MonoDevelop on Mac OS X? Unity Tech has fixed some bugs over the past few months, but many remain. Some keyboard shortcuts still don't work (like jumping to a function, which doesn't jump to a line, but where you were last time you worked on that file), the code completion hints can't be color-configured which makes bright-on-dark color schemes less useful etc.
     
  20. Ryiah

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    I don't use MonoDevelop at all. But then I'm only on Windows so that's part of the reason.
     
  21. StefanoCecere

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    i think it's got a long way to substitute MonoDevelop (or Xamarin Studio that i happily use)

    what impresses me is that Microsoft is developing Visual Studio Code over Chrome technology (just like Atom editor!!!!)
     
  22. Ox_

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    I'm totally pro-VS because I'm using OS X and have no plans to leave Unity development or move to Windows. ;)

    And MD is not that good.

    Let's vote meanwhile:
    http://visualstudio.uservoice.com/f...io-code/suggestions/7752702-unity-integration

    That's not correct:
    https://code.visualstudio.com/Docs
    Visual Studio Code includes built-in support for always-on IntelliSense code completion, richer semantic code understanding and navigation, and code refactoring.
     
  23. Dustin-Horne

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    I don't think Code is a replacement for a full blown IDE. It does support full blown solutions. I opened an MVC 5 solution in it today that has 11 solution folders and 35 projects and it kept everything intact. However, it only supports running and debugging for Mono and NodeJS at the moment so it's not even worth testing for everything else.

    It may be a good replacement eventually for people who use things like Sublime or Notepad++ as a basic code editor but I don't think it's ever intended to be a full blown IDE.
     
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  24. StarManta

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    I'm not sure what it's talking about in that line - the discussions suggest it does those things for Web code & javascript - but it DEFINITELY does not do any of those things for C# in a Unity project.
     
  25. Ox_

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    All I need from an editor:
    • project-level auto-completion
    • snippets
    • "go to declaration"
    • rename
    • breakpoints
    So I can't see why VSC can't replace MD for me when these features will be implemented.
    That's because it's still a preview.
     
  26. Dustin-Horne

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    @Ox_ it may be able to do those things, but it likely isn't going to support plugins, thus probably no Unity debug integration. That's just speculation though.
     
  27. tiggus

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    Language support isn't there yet for me, almost seems like they realized VS is overkill for web developers who just want to do JS or Typescript and split it out and made it multiplatform. I'm looking for something that supports Go and Python mainly which Sublime does a good job of with plugins.
     
  28. Dustin-Horne

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    @tiggus I'm assuming it will get more support though. At a minimum they'll need to have some kind of console and make it easy to use tools like grunt and jasmine
     
  29. IQpierce

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    I just configured Code as my external code editor in Unity and made sure the box to allow debugger attaching was checked.

    I then did "Sync MonoDevelop project" from the Editor. I don't think that did anything, since Code doesn't deal with project files.

    I switched to the Debugging tab of Code, chose "Attach" from the configurations list, and hit Run... I get an error:

    "Cannot start OpenDebug because Mono (or a Mono version >= 3.10.0) is required"

    Does anyone know what this means? Is there a way I can install Mono for Code, or on a system-wide basis on my Mac, such that this might work?
     
  30. Ostwind

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    I don't think this app is ever going to be for anything but web development as its even titled like that on web and announcement news. It's far from decent IDE and probably has no VS .NET projects style stuff in the roadmap at the level that it would ever replace MonoDevelop. Most of the posts and comments around the net seem to indicate that this is primarily fast and light web editor and debugger with quick repo access.

    Like I said it has no autocomplete for the .NET world, like as in knowing the context its invoked. Now it suggests all words it finds from the open document which is useless. The refactoring it has is a simple text replace tailored for web development type files.
     
  31. MatthewW

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    This is incorrect.

    - In Unity, "Sync MonoDevelop Project" to generate your solution files (if they aren't there already)

    - Open your root project folder in Visual Studio Code.

    - In the lower-left, next to the flame icon, click "pick a project":

    Screenshot 2015-04-29 14.43.50.png

    - Select your -csharp.sln file:

    Screenshot 2015-04-29 14.45.08.png

    Autocomplete for Unity classes:

    Screenshot 2015-04-29 14.45.52.png

    And for .NET classes:

    Screenshot 2015-04-29 14.46.44.png
     

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  32. Pixelnest

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    It does have auto completion. You have to setup the solution file by clicking on the fire icon at the bottom left of the interface.

    If it does prompt you for mono >= to 3.10, install mono with homebrew (on OSX). It should work then.

    I didn't try it much for the moment, but it seems to be fairly decent, at least to replace Sublime (I don't like MD at all, so I'm unable to compare).

    Update: someone did a better job than me. Just look above. ;)
     
  33. Ryiah

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    I don't see why you couldn't already be using Sublime. All of those are covered either by base features or plugins. There even appears to be a project working towards an IntelliSense-like plugin for Sublime.

    https://github.com/quarnster/completion
     
  34. IQpierce

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    Including breakpoints? I.e. the ability to connect to a debugger? I never saw a solution for debugging Unity with SublimeText.

    I'm excited to hear that the Intellisense features seem to work with the existing vsproj setup... I'm installing Mono with Homebrew on my Mac now to try some more! If debugging will work I'll be so stoked.
     
  35. IQpierce

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    Confirmed that Intellisense is working! It doesn't even require hitting Ctrl+Space to initiate autocomplete, once the project has been imported (see MatthewW's instructions above).
     

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  36. luispedrofonseca

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    I'm trying to attach the debugger to the Unity process but no luck... Anyone with a clue?
     
  37. goat

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    Very good of MS to make it easier to publish apps/games from other platforms to Windows Platforms. It is a smart business decision and one that leads to selection of cheap HW that supports Windows. Sort of Apple's undoing the 1st time. Chrome OS has a long way to go to catch up to Windows in the business and government arenas..
     
  38. IQpierce

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    I'm unable to get it to attach either. It appears to have a configuration option for attaching to Mono; this is at the bottom of the file that it opens if you hit the "gear icon" button at the top of the Debug panel:

    {
    "name": "Attach",
    "type": "node",
    // TCP/IP address. Default is "localhost".
    "address": "localhost",
    // Port to attach to.
    "port": 2550
    }

    ...I changed that number to 2550 from the default. I assume that connection via a port like this is how MonoDevelop et al connect to the Unity debugger, so maybe we just need to try the right port and this would work?

    Maybe not, I just stumbled on the source for the plugin that allows MonoDevelop to attach to the Unity debugger (https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/MonoDevelop.Debugger.Soft.Unity), and it doesn't seem to use this kind of approach, it attaches to a process by ID, rather than to a local port.

    I'm running into the limitation of my knowledge about how this sort of stuff works. It would be nice if someone could figure out how to get this debugger to talk to Unity's debugger, since it appears to use Mono... if MonoDevelop can do it (and we have the code for how it does it), then hopefully there will be a way to do it in this tool too.
     
  39. IQpierce

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    I just noticed that config file also contains:

    // Type of configuration. Possible values: "node", "mono".
    "type": "node",

    but I think I need to change more than just this "type" for it to find and connect to the Mono process. And it's possible that Unity's debugger is a variant that would need some special mode added, as appears to have been the case for MonoDevelop.

    I wonder how hard it is to extend Code's debugging options? I'm out of time to look into this for now, but I hope someone else keeps poking at it!
     
  40. luispedrofonseca

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    I got to the same point as you @IQpierce, but no luck as well... Hopefully one the Unity guys will give us a hand.

    Another thing I was trying to do was to hide all those ugly .meta files as well as the unnecessary folders (Library, obj, Temp) because it gets a bit confusing.

    All in all, this is definitely going to be an awesome alternative to MonoDevelop, Xamarin Studio and Sublime for all Mac users!
     
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  41. wkwan

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    Haha me too. I also tried switching the type to "mono" and pluggin in the Unity's port #, didn't work. But even without a debugger, I like it better than MD. Searching and typing is faster, the intellisense doesn't seem to stupidly complete with the wrong things all the time, and the autoformat works properly.
     
  42. darksirikan

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    It would be a nice option for mac developers but I don't see it replacing VS Pro for me.
     
  43. wkwan

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    Visual studio has a ton of useless features I never use. I wouldn't mind using something with a cleaner interface if editing and debugging works just as well.
     
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  44. angrypenguin

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    How did you do that? When I try it just opens the solution for viewing as a text file.

    Edit: Ahh, eventually the select project button came up a-la @MatthewW's post above, and then everything was groovy. :D
     
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  45. angrypenguin

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    As a text editor it's super nice, but I gave up on Sublime for Unity in particular when I looked at a dozen steps of instructions involving multiple plugins for getting it to work.
     
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  46. TokyoDan

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    Same here.
     
  47. Dustin-Horne

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    I actually just used the Open Folder button (or something to that effect) and chose the folder that had the solution in it... But given that it also showed the .csproj and .sln files I dont' think it actually opened the folder... it did show our solution folders but if I recall we actually created physical folders to match.
     
  48. angrypenguin

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    Did it give you IntelliSense? For me that only worked correctly after I did the "Select project" thing.
     
  49. larku

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    Even a Linux version... MS, you surprise me..

    I use Eclipse for C++ development on Linux and although I really liked it many years ago it is feeling really aged these days..

    I'm keen to try this out.... (downloading now)..
     
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  50. Dustin-Horne

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    @angrypenguin I didn't even try to be honest... it was a production product that's all source controlled through TFS so I didn't really want to dick with any of the files in Code. Was just curious as to whether it would open them.
     
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