What the heck is ironSource?

This isn't true either, otherwise they would have gone public sooner than two years ago.

 

They had already gained venture capital so it was inevitable the outcome. It is nearly always the same once you dip into VC. Same well tested path of going public, getting more investment, growing as fast as possible then selling. It is a farmer's market for investors.

And earned roughly half a billion from Unity so far. I'd say it's been a good period.

 

Unity always seemed more concerned with growing than being sustainable. Otherwise they wouldn't have made their engine FREE for 99% of its users.
They could had made it dirty cheap, but they chose to make it completely free.
Clearly, they weren't concerned by sustainability.

 

That is normal VC-led behaviour (Venture Capitalists make up the board of Unity). It's not alarming, it's normal behaviour. Any company that isn't growing is probably going to get swallowed or sold off. That is how capitalism works. Grow as big as possible as soon as possible, borrow all the time.

 

This also isn't true. Free users, I'd wager, make up the vast majority of asset store purchases, which immediately provides a revenue stream from them. The reason that Unity was made free for so many people was because those people likely would have never bought a Unity license or anything from the asset store in the first place. In opening it up like that, they get more people using the engine, which means more opportunity for users to pass the threshold needed to require Pro/Plus licenses.

You're really not looking at the bigger picture here.

 

This is real but not related so try not to lose your heads ... it is funny though

This is due to an issue with GitHub's Dependabot so please do not take my screen shot out of context I shared it here because it was funny to me in relation to this topic and thought my fellow Unity users might enjoy the laugh given the generally crap mood

 

which is?

 

Slightly better screen shot, just noticed this recently with anything that references com.unity.mathematics on GitHub. It seems to be garbage from GitHubs Dependabot but the timing with all the IS hate was just to funny

 

That's just an issue on Github's end with how Dependabot checks compromised dependencies.

https://forum.unity.com/threads/com...ntaining-malicious-code.1298445/#post-8223264

The entire paragraph above what you just quoted.

 

What the actual F***???

 

As I noted its nothing to lose your head over just GitHub's little toy messing up

But it is none the less funny

 

Likely a false positive. There was a talk about malware packages using unity names. Or something.

 

Are we ignoring the exponential growth of unity as a multinational corporation?
Do you know how expensive it is to rent offices and hire personnel all over the world by the month?
Do you really think a 3D engine company should do S*** like that when it's not making a profit?
I'm afraid it's you who don't want to see the bigger picture.

 

But let's not fight against each other: we're all in the same F***ed up boat. LOL

 

Before they introduced the free tier Unity was a very small company but Unity's community was equally small.

 

I'm using Unity mathematics, there's nothing bad in there. It is just a false positive. I don't really find it funny either, because Unity mathematics is one of the best libraries Unity has! Very well written and I really enjoy using it.

 

I'm using it EVERYWHERE!

 

In some industries, the companies only can make profits when they are larger.

 

The reason it wasn't making a profit was because of these operation expenses, many of which were necessary. Unity had multiple offices open and was hosting yearly events even when they were relatively small compared to what they are now because those were pretty critical for the growth of the engine as a product.

You're tilting at windmills here. There are real problems and these aren't them.

 

I guess we have different views on what is necessary.
But then again, I'm not a CEO.

 

Do you think the improvements the engine got between 2.0 and 4.6 happened magically or something?

 

I think @aras-p would say so.

 

He doesn't count, he's a wizard. Of course it magically happened.

 

Dude, do you think those improvements where because Unity expanded as a multinational??

 

I feel like Unreal did a great job at stagnating Godot's work and direction. They have spent so many hours on "finishing" that Vulkan support, while OpenGL support is underprioritized for Godot 4.x, which is quite sad because I used Godot mostly for 2D (I no longer use Godot). Due to this, they have to support and maintain two branches: 3.x and 4.x (master), which further exacerbates the situation.

Speaking about Godot sponsors, you haven't mentioned sponsors that relate to gambling and similar, like Interblock and Enjin Coin/Gamblify. You can judge the direction of the project by their sponsors.

Also about Kefir. I won't mention it here directly, but go to Kefir sponsorship announcement at Godot's website and tell me what the name of Kefir's Chief Business Development Officer represents. Doesn't that look shady to you as well? (no need to reply, just a rhetorical question)

 

Yes.

Unity growing as a company provides both more resources and expanding multinationally dramatically increases the talent pool the company has. In addition to the increased talent pool, it also allows for easier promotion at developer events in those countries, giving Unity greater outreach. Having greater outreach expands the customer base, which puts them into a position where they are able to improve upon the engine as fits the customer's needs.

The issue is that, at a certain critical mass of customers, you have effectively baked in your entire consumer base, who will be mired with your own tech debt and also due to general inertia, they're locked into using your product forever and you don't really have to bother anymore.

 

Nah I didn't mean like that. I meant more in the sense of a much cheaper "Hey this money is going straight to engine development." Like paying a small monthly amount if it could somehow be proven to go straight into making developers lives easier instead of going into the companies main expenditure.

But as Ryiah stated, I didn't realize how much even 10 million users would be. I looked up their quarterly financials not annual. My mistake

 

What are we?? COMMUNISTS?? /s

 

False positive. Some troll uploaded malicious packages using the same name as Unity packages into npm, but Unity doesn't even use npm: the Unity package manager is a different thing altogether, hosted and managed by Unity themselves.

Also, is npm even used for C# projects? I only heard about it in JavaScript-related development.

 

We use npm in our hybrid CORE projects, but it is indeed for the front end js side of the solution.

 

You call a false positive issue from 26 days ago funny timing?

 

YongYea's a parasite though. He's going for easy clicks that pay his bills.

 

I have yet to disagree with him on any of his videos.

edit: also, I posted this on the wrong thread sorry.
It's here.

 

Calm down their no one is going to take away Unity Mathematics love it my self
The reason its funny is the timing, its called humour, when two unrelated things corelate especially when we know they are unrelated it makes some of us smile. So in this case its funny because people are crapping a brick because Unity purchased an ad company that used to be known for maleware and somehow think that translates to Unity now being maleware. So when GitHub (wrongly) identifies code written by Unity as maleware these two unrelated situations corelate and make the smile in some of us like my self.

Just take a deep breath, count to 10 and relax,
In reality Unity's CEO being a tool is nothing new, most publicly traded corporations employ tools as XOs they are really good at sorting out investment ... sometimes ... other times they make stupid mistakes like using edgy wording when people are already on edge and creating a social crap storm like we have now.

In reality Unity is no better or worse off than it was last week, but the correlation of events has people in a tisy and that can be a bit entertaining to watch for some of us like my self.

1) No Unity is not maleware now nor is it likely to ever be
2) yes publicly traded corporations are about improving investors lives not yours this isn't news or new and is not the end of the world nor does it invalidate the value of Unity as a tool
3) No Unity isn't going to die any time soon due to Godot or UE, etc. they are all crap in their own special ways and they all have value in their own special ways they will all be here tomorrow either way.
4) No UE is not a god send sent to save us from evil Unity, Epics own CEO is just as much a (enter colourful metaphor here) as Unity's and while I haven't bothered to search I bet I can find similar stupid in Godot's leadership if I look hard enough

A dose of reality is really needed here ... for the community and for Unity as a corporation and especially its leadership. Unity is financially not in a happy place, the tech is great, that will work out in the end the only question is who is still getting paid and by who are they getting paid. Unity's leadership needs to stop trying to spin the narrative or be "cool" and just knuckle down and lead the d@mn company, that leadership needs to involve the community that makes it viable in the first place. I know he is from EA ... maybe he learned from that mistake ... maybe he didn't not a problem he is replaceable and he will be replaced if he doesn't make the investors happy, no one really cares if he makes you and me happy.

 

Yes I find it humorous
No I do not believe Mathematics is a problem, I simply saw the notification, corelated it to the current craziness of people thinking that Unity is now somehow maleware and it made me LOL a bit.

Sorry if I thought the community might also find some humour in that ... actually no I am not sorry you can ignore it if you didn't find humour in it, no harm no foul, if you did find it funny like me ... your welcome.

 

Which is not a good place to be LOL

 

No no its not

But it not the end of the world either

 

Tim Sweeney at least knows how to code and fairly well!

 

Though he has been known to make poor choices that we're still stuck with today.

https://twitter.com/timsweeneyepic/status/952661474501111808

 

I bet you money that Riccitelo doesn't even know what a left hand coordinate system is!

 

That's cute and all but I really wouldn't be hiring my XOs based on their skill in C or C++ not going to come up a whole lot in their day to day.

We may not want to admit it but leading an enterprise is not the same skill set as designing a tool or service never mind actually implementing that design.

 

CEO is a job one fills like any other, its daily roles deal with high level strategy mostly around money in vs money out and has precious F*(&^ all to do with what the company actually does for its clients. Now we all like it when our leaders come up from the front lines and so on, but in reality that doesn't happen all that often and those leaders while romantic aren't usually the best at the job.

In short I have no hate for any of them because they are XOs but stupid is stupid and the optics of the past few weeks is well bad even I see that ... how someone with that pay check didn't ... that is for the board to question.

Unity is making a lot of dumb decisions from our (clients) point of view and I am sure it will hurt them in the long run, I am also sure they don't really care, its a tomorrow problem for them, today they have a different set of problems.

 

There are exceptions though like the CEO of Intel who is an actual engineer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Gelsinger

 

No but it shows some kind of mindset and interests that we can relate to, which makes his decisions more gamedev related than pure business man related, and that may be worse for investors, but it's better for actual game development and culture in general. And look, he's not starving either.

 

O aye it does happen and some times they are great ... it is the exception though not the rule AMD is similar as I recall its CEO was an engineer anyway my point was I dont need a CEO to be an engineering master ... I need them to be a competent leader.

 

And Riccitiello isn't it.

 

I think you may be giving to much power to the CEO in that case.

The CEO acts on the boards demands to lead the company in the direction they choose. A CEO is an employee like any other, they come and they go. They deal with very high level things so for example the recent cut of the game team I forget its name ... I bet the CEO knows of it but I doubt he had a hand in the decision aside from budget == X expenditure == Y make it work.

PS
The whole cut of that team really sounds more like a mid management call, got told budget is X looked at what they needed did a ROI calc and cut the losing team. Its not nice, not prity and probably not the right move ... but I doubt it was the CEOs call ... maybe it was but odd to be if it was.

 

Never said he was, I personally think he was a horrible decision for Unity but he is what we have and a CEO isn't the be all end all of a company. Yes a bad CEO can make a hell of a mess but the CEO isn't Unity GOD\

ps the board of directors is

 

Well Ironsource make game, through supersonic, so since it's merger... unity makes game! Finally?
https://venturebeat.com/2020/02/10/ironsource-launches-ad-based-game-studio-supersonic-games/

 

So this is a good news??!