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We have now messy bad standard forum font quality since (about) 05.08.2017

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  1. Quatum1000

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    The web guys seems to have changed the font quality or switched to another system font property. As they change the header area of the forum I guess.

    On desktop browsers the text is washed out and it's bad to read on 100%. The original font is used is currently visible in the thread editor. The same font bad Font was used while the forum style was changed some month ago, and ppl hate it.

    Is there any chance to change the font back to its original quality by any user setting of the forum?
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  2. LaneFox

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    It's nice and sharp for me.
     
  3. Quatum1000

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    Does the text from the image (crispy old style ) looks the same for you as the text above on 100% ? Should be desktop at dpi 100%.
     
  4. LaneFox

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    Yeah it looks the same.
     
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    Untitled-2.jpg
    That looks pretty different to me.

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  6. and-poulsen

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    We updated the font to match the brand on our other sites. It's now Roboto, where before it was Arial (Or Helvetica for macs).
    I do see that it looks slightly blurry on your screenshot - what OS and browser is this on?
     
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    I'm on PC Windows 7 - LG34" 2580x1080 - Firefox - 100DPI 32bit.
     
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    It looks fine for me, though I'm not fond of the header. Luckily, I have ublock origin by gorhill for such things, like when Unreal decided that stupid forum header was a good idea.
     
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    The code part now use different fonts as well: Untitled-1.jpg
     
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    Wow, I just checked the scripting forum and that is, in fact, a huge mess of a problem.
     
  11. Quatum1000

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    Basinga?
     
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    hey andreaspoulsen,

    I can follow to have a continuous match of your company brand and style, but in this case the forum is a daily working area for developers and forum users. Would it be a deal to let the users decide what default font he wana use by a option in the personal setup?
     
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  13. Player7

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    Yeah I notice this aswel.. I thought something was off since last week... but I wasn't on paying much attention since I was at a different place using a different computer/screen last week.. Now that I'm back home using my default system this forum really is a bit off putting now and I can't just be bothered to read or reply to any threads because this font sucks for how its being used now. If that was the goal you achieved it Unity.

    This bolder softer looking font is just not that nice for forum posts, tbh its not just that good for large amount of text at all.. its more for a short amount of text or a header.. weirdly enough the text input box is still using the older crisper font.

    Seriously.. its rubbish I don't like it.. its almost bordering on comic sans style now. The attached image that other guy posted is exactly how it looks for me aswel. (Win7 64x, Firefox)
     
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    I found a workaround in Firefox, but could display other web sites lite different.
    Firefox Preferences > Content > Advanced


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    Uncheck the ‘Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of my selections above’ to override a web page’s font settings and impose your own. In my case I must use Serif Size 16 instead of 26 on the image.

    ff_pref_fonts.png
     
  15. Player7

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    Using the firefox stylish addon css fix is a alot better than doing it that way..

    This works fine for me...
    Code (CSharp):
    1. @-moz-document domain("forum.unity3d.com") {
    2.   body {
    3.     font: 12px/1.0 arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif!important;
    4.    }
    5. }
    Also just realized I had old zolrans old dark Unity forum theme disabled, must have totally forgotten about it after the err can't remember the name of it forum switch over that didn't stick... goes nicely with the new header/footer..needs alot more color fixes, don't like the text selection colors etc .. probably just stick with the above font css fix for now.

    https://pastebin.com/raw/2meDtP0R
     
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    Thanks, cool! I tried to enlarge the font from
    Code (CSharp):
    1. font: 12px/1.0 arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif!important;
    to 16px, but seems not work like that.
     
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    oh yeah the font size won't change because its overwritten elsewhere in the css ..message body font size can be adjusted by adding...

    .messageText {
    font-size: 1.25em!important; /*Seems to match the exact size as it was before */
    line-height: 1.2;
    }

    body {
    font-family: arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif!important;
    }
     
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    Style over substance is the most embarrassing disease of the tech sector at the moment. It's not clever.

    However the font change recently is nowhere near as bad as the previous lithium thin-font fiasco although this newer one is slightly blurry, I can live with it fine. But really, forums aren't about being a snowflake with nice text when it comes to game development. It's about clearly communicating, often with code.

    Please be careful with forum changes. Would be sad if people communicated better on rival forums.
     
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  19. and-poulsen

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    I have yet to see the font blurry myself in Chrome, Firefox or Safari - and I've checked on multiple systems and OS's. It looks odd in IE but that's about it, and that's expected. Does the font look blurry on https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Roboto ?
     
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    So I checked the forums out on chrome (yuck) its bad... I don't know even know why people are still posting, maybe they don't read the replies anymore :D




    In other news I checked out Vivaldi the chromium fork, is getting better.. its like a less S***/ugly version of Chrome with more built in customization/options.. nothing compared to Firefox+extensions, but still fast for somethings. And you can still use the same chrome extensions for it, figured I'd mention it as Goolag really are S*** and rather see its best bits forked and improved :)
     
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    @Player7 How does it look on the Google Font website? Perhaps your computer should clean its room and sort itself out.
     
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    Comparing too Google the forum used any Roboto medium and not 14 px regular. So it's weight heavy blury because of the wrong body-mass-index Dr. Inspector told us.
     
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    The Goolag font website shows pretty much the same in all browsers -no difference.. the problem with the font is your side, aside from the difference in font weight.. I personally its just a bad font choice for large amount of message text that people on forums read and write alot of.

    Infact the blog site font .. overly large, often have to zoom out the page a few times, so 70%.. this oversized font madness and huge padded spaces with layouts like the blog is just off putting not to mention the extra scrolling every sentence. Maybe at 4k resolution it doesn't suck as much, but I'd say large portion of visitors to the site are still using 1080p resolution. Unless they like kindergarten age adults who can't see good maybe, I dunno :)
     
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    The most web guys using 10" iPad pro at 4k building some hypeish solutions in restaurants.
    So for real, the best solution !and to have a solution! is to use the stylish plug.
     
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    Update: ClearTyp Unity Forum Font for Firefox 56+ (15 JAN 2018)

    https://userstyles.org/styles/154200/unity3d-forum-cleartype-font-firefox-56

    Or add code directly to the Firefox Sylish add-on and save with a name to activate.
    Code (CSharp):
    1. @namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);
    2.  
    3. @-moz-document domain("forum.unity.com") {
    4.  
    5.   .messageText {
    6. font-size: 1.3em!important; /*Seems to match the exact size as it was before */
    7. line-height: 1.3;
    8. }
    9.  
    10. body {
    11. font-family: arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif!important;
    12. }
    13.  
    14. }
     
  26. and-poulsen

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    @Quatum1000 The default font weight should be regular (400) - are you experiencing something else?
     
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    Its not only the forum that needs to be fixed with this forum, its overall quality control. Most forums out there has good moderation where the focus is objective and friendly. On this forum everything is subjective, even with moderation. The forum just don't match the quality of Unity 3D as a product. I say start with the roots and go from there.
     
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    I think that is subjective, the moderation on here is fine though I'd replace the others with just clones of more hippocoder :D .. I've seen far worse places I wouldn't waste my time signing upto.

    It's not the size of the font.. it is the font-family (the size thing was just trying to put the font size back to what it was before Roboto for me anyway)... Because that new Roboto font choice of this forum sucks.. its one hell of a poor choice where readability for end users matters, it may work fine for a couple of sentences on a islab device and look kinda stylish at face value..but for paragraphs of text.. what a piece of S*** looking font I think it designed to make people dumb and suck the critical thinking out of its users...maybe so Goolag advertising is more effective ... just the kinda of frankenstien crap you'd expect out of the Goolag right :D whatever... weirdly some of its past font design looked better than what it does now...so much for progress its all going downhill at that place lol.

    So yeah thank duck for stylish.. I'd quit visiting this forum much at all if wasn't for making the default font for everything not garbage. I'm surprised the overal readership and interaction of Unity forum/blogs hasn't completely died off because of these poor design choices. Hell I think the blog is mostly dead literately because of the poor layout and font it has, only time I see comments on the blog posts are when the blog post itself is bound to get some people commenting out of necessity to ask something.. but in general totally dead.. and deservedly so.. the layout/font effing sucks...The forum probably just survives on the fact people still see it as somewhat functional for its purpose..good xenforo features basically imo.
     
  29. and-poulsen

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    @Player7, Roboto is a quite common font on the web, and well received I believe. I'm just suspecting it might not render right for you, for whatever reason.
    Both the blog and forum is, in terms of activity, performing quite fine actually.
     
  30. Quatum1000

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    @and-poulsen

    1) Didn't you know/see the difference between ClearType LCD, Postscript and RenderFonts on the different display devices?

    2) What is your display size and pixel resolution on your daily working device?

    I'm assured your working on mac without ClearType equivalent.

    3) Why the Apple forum community web designers (the best designs guys of the world) use ClearType and not any "common Roboto" postscript render fonts?
    https://discussions.apple.com/search.jspa?q=lcd
     
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  31. Player7

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    https://i.imgur.com/zVqPNPB.png (better, readable )
    https://i.imgur.com/FHBLM0j.png (worse, awful, bold everywhere, terrible, Roboto == eye cancer)

    And that is just the thread view.. yknow part of the forum feature is showing read threads from unread threads, it's not very good when the default font the forum uses practically makes distinguishing that extra effort when it should be instantly noticeable.

    I'd take more screenshots to compare, but the thread starter already posted a comparison of the crispy font and anyone not using css fixes can see just what the difference is in Roboto and what the font style used to be, at the top of the thread.. its awful.. like reading something in all bold....you start not giving crap about what is actually being written about because its all just a blur of a not so great font being in used in an awful way.

    "Roboto is a quite common font on the web, and well received I believe"
    yeh well a quick search on Roboto +S***, + ugly, +awful and I think you'll find what (a really tiny vocal minority) really think of it, just ignore them right...

    Well I'd never give crap about what iDevice users have to say.. those fools have already managed to turn most the modern websites in barely usable junk like it was designed for people with adhd disorders.. large images, dumbed menu systems, oversized fonts, white space safe padding everywhere... just nuke silicon valley already south korea :D jk

    Really its like looking a web being turned into something made for 3year olds. No wonder Asia is taking over at least there websites aren't all becoming dumbed down garbage, I don't think you'll find they give a crap what comes out of the Goolag et al or how it manages to be so pervasive in getting developers using most its S***. Roboto as font is just a minor part of problem, perhaps its like the modern equivalent of comic sans trying to grab attention of end users in a bad way, and the western industry of developers and designers don't seem to have realized it yet as they got sucked in and played.
     
  32. Quatum1000

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    Disagreed!
     
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    Update: ClearTyp Unity Forum Font for Firefox 67+ (04 APRIL 2019)

    You can use this link anyway..
    https://userstyles.org/styles/154200/unity3d-forum-cleartype-font-firefox-56

    Or add code directly to the Firefox Sylish add-on and save with a name to activate.

    Code (CSharp):
    1. @namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);
    2. .messageText {
    3. font-size: 1.3em!important; /*Seems to match the exact size as it was before */
    4. line-height: 1.3;
    5. }
    6.  
    7. body {
    8. font-family: arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif!important;
    9. }