Official Unity plan pricing and packaging updates

They are waiting for the lube to dry then they are going F*** us harder

 

For sure an official update is more than long overdue by now.

 

That "simple employee" came to this thread only to link twitter pricing as if saying "look guys twitter does it too!".

 

They said "couples of days" since Monday so expectably can be 1 to 6 later, so it can be this Sunday by common sense, if they still have some left though

 

And "Look, all that breach of trust did was legit and allow by law of California which is our HQ you know?"

 

Unity really 'threw us on the bed and F***ed us' didn't they?

 

The reason they're taking so long to get back to us is because they ran into trouble when it came time to fit the golf clubs, cigars, golden furniture and pool table into the escape yacht.

 

I think in such extreme situation a response should be immediate.

 

A bed would've been nice, but they settled for a filthy alleyway littered with broken glass, used needles and condoms.

 

I can't entirely agree with this. You can have old games because let's be honest after 2 or 3 years most games do not sell 50k copies a year at 20$ to exceed the 1 million $ revenue threshold. And most sales after that long time are after some discount, so you would even need to sell more than 50k copies. Without a pro, it will be 10k and I believe that most games do not sell that much after 2-3 years after release.

But other points are valid.
Counting installs is the dumbest thing they could come up with.

 

Yeah, this is no longer “tweak it until we can find the least-worst option no matter how long it takes” territory, this is “immediately rescind the entire thing and beg for forgiveness” territory.

We can talk changes once the house is no longer burning down around us.

 

The difference between brilliance and idiocy is that idiocy knows no bounds.

 

I guess we'll be getting that ukelele performance after all.

 

Sad days to be a game Unity developer.

I don't understand why businessmen keep acting like pop stars, trying to use silence as a way to control damage. It's not like a scandal that people will forget after a while, it's an issue that will affect every customer, no matter how long it drags on. Those who have had enough have already left, and those who still stay are filled with anger, anxiety, and uncertainty about the future. It only gets worse over time to the point where no one cares anymore. Until you realize that, you're on the path to filing for bankruptcy. I'm tired.

 

it is a complete movement right now, is not exactly what we all know, there are other interests for the future of the company in these movements, is not denial, is more like "lets ignore the community"

that is not going to happen, the company is already in rotten hands, no one whit "good intentions" will "inherit" this company, that is now for sure

this is something i've thingking for some time now, maybe years, in fact i did a post about it and it was butchered by the community xD looks like is not something to extremist at the moment xD but anyways
https://forum.unity.com/threads/businesss-question-about-unity.1409631/

maybe, with confusing announcements, but we all know how is that

 

Judging by their complete lack of communication for such a long time, the upper management is completely unable to function properly. That does not bode well for the future of the engine, since we, and probably all game developers, need the engine to be well supported for many years. We're going to go ahead with out plan of writing an engine middleware layer, to allow easier porting to another engine in the future. It's sad to be leaving Unity, but it's the less risky option, even if it costs a bit more at first.

 

It's because they're used to being the ones who hold the purse-strings, used to the compliance of people on the losing side of a power-dynamic, used to being brown-nosed and being used to being in the company of each other. Nobody has ever had the guts to tell them they're wrong to their face and they'll be in denial right up to the bitter end.

 

Yeah all I want is to know where I stand so I can move on. I really don't need all this crap, seriously, no doubt along with the rest of you all. I have been developing flat out and its just at a dead halt right now checking for an update. Surely they know by now what they are going to do. They can't be that dumb. There aren't that many options to consider.

 

I just want to know their "update" as soon as it cames out xD

 

I think one big advantage is that you can use C# and also C++.

 

When you have to choose whether to cut off your left leg or your right leg, it takes a little while.

 

Doing their own dirty work is not something they have much experience with. They ran out of people to delegate it to, and ran out of people to blame, so they're dragging their feet. I think at this point they realize that we won't take any more BS for an answer and when they reach into their bag of tricks this is all that comes out:

 

so he did you a favor, he is telling you the way he can

i wish some devs can understand this as you did, good luck

yes i understad, it was just a little joke xD i'm also here...

Well, there is this c# thing that i think is better than visual scripting (blueprints) also Flax has better performance (i'm fighting to get a decent performance on mobile right now tho) and is also pretty advance on graphics, not as much as unreal but pretty close (if not better) to unity

 

As the days go by I am more confident of my original perdition.
They wanted a 4% revenue share from the start but pushed the per install story to settle with this.
And the worst part is that they will pull this off...
Sad.

 

We are fked arent we?

1 - they rollback the changes - they go bankrupt - unity is over

2 - they keep the changes - get full permission to take up to 100% of revenue - unity is over

3 - they keep the changes - but decide to be good people and not abuse the TOS any further - LOL unity is over isnt it

 

If you already see just these sccenarios, then why do you not move on to another engine? Yes, they are not as feature rich as unity but at this point anything is more promising than it.

 

The way Unity sabotaged itself is mind-boggling.
The fact that there is still no official response is irrational.
Seems like they don't care about the business at all.

Perhaps Riccitiello believes that we are just gamers "yeah, they will be mad at first, but then they will just accept it" - but we are not talking about gaming here but our jobs and livelihood - noone will accept it and Unity is still bleeding out developers every day.

This one stupid decision is causing a chain reaction - it destroys other businesses, as well peoples lives.
I'm not at all surprised Unity received death threats after causing so much misery (I do not support that, but I can understand).

I cannot believe Unity has 7k+ employees and not a single one could have been assigned to talking with the industry before going forward with this crap. I believe that any programmer at Unity probably knows that using install tracking for charging devs is impossible to work with and is wrong on so many levels.
This only proves that most probably it was a short, forced decision by higher-ups with ZERO consultation along the way. It looks like some "genius" came up with this idea and force-posted it the same day without giving it much thought (cuz he is a genius) - or so it seems. Was it JR? Maybe. Maybe not. For sure I would like to know who is such a big moron (no offence, but this was an utterly idiotic move).

I would understand if such a mistake would be made by some small startup company, but here... I can't. I just can't.
This will probably go down in history of gamedev as one of the biggest fiascos.

 

Oh no, it’s MUCH worse than that. They’ve been concocting this scheme for a while now (I’m convinced the TOS shenanigans over the past year have been leading up to precisely this), with people both inside and outside the company telling them at every possible opportunity that this is the worst idea they could possibly have, that it would be impossible to implement, and that everything about the planned communication was horrible, and they still pulled the trigger anyway.

 

Wow I forgot about XNA! Holy S***, time to revive XNA! Now that I think of it, Unity killed XNA

 

Hi All,

As a sole developer, After 6 years of headache and "hard work as you will know" and 9000 hours in development, notwithstanding of course the direct financial costs to me which are considerable, this is where I am at....

The next step is to visit the HEARTS OF COLD - REDEMPTION Steamworks Page and push the buttons to make your product visible in Steam as 'Coming Soon'.

As of this moment I have no inclination to do that.

Very sad that not only myself but I guess many others find themselves in similar positions. I feel for everyone of us.

Kind regards

Peter

 

agreed

 

You should check out MonoGame, a spiritual successor to XNA. Seeing so many people donating to Godot, I hope that MonoGame developers will receive some support because development has pretty much stalled due to very little funding.

 

Don't worry: if they do it, they will not be sharing it!

 

I agree, I don't see a single reason for them to share it at all

 

Well... no. People is saying you have available the physics engine used by Horizon Forbidden West. And it is going to be ported to Godot core soon.

In fact, the godot community requests some parts of the engine to be native plugins so people can contribute back without building and committing the entire engine.

 

If some one at Unity thinks that being silent is the way to solve this problem they are just crazy. Only going back to square 1 will have some results. Because this is not just a matter of saying "sorry", but a loss of confidence that will take years to arise again, if ever does.

 

Couple means two. Given the pseudo-apology was late Sunday, an announcement was expected today but sometime tomorrow won't necessarily look too out of place. Any further out than that won't look good and will seriously raise eyebrows.

Hopefully, the delay is a function of coming to some semblance of understanding how deeply screwed they are.

 

this might be a crazy idea,

but how about creating an entity that manages a fundraise by us unity users and buy a portion of unity so that we will have a say in future deciisions.

(i know it sounds stupid enough, but trust is little to nonexistent right now).

 

I think that they should at least do this:
1 - an apology
2 - a fair simple to understand price model and of course not retroactive.a price model that will not change fundamentally once every few years!
3 - a commitment that they focus on the engine, not of the services. new features take waaay too long.
change of management (not only the CEO) is another step they can take , but i don't think it can happen...

 

I think a 50% stock drop is the only way to get them to talk, so we need to fight on more media fronts.

 

Well then we can just wait a bit more. It ain't getting more expensive.

 

Oh... I didn't see that! I'm ruling it out of the realm of possibility...

 

Flax has ONE HUGE flaw that makes the 3D pipeline insufferable: it doesn't support FBX models and skeletons with animations in it. You need to have a separate FBX per animation. It's quite annoying. In Unity, Godot and UE you can just drag any model and everything is imported correctly. On the contrast, Flax imports either the skeleton or the model or a single animation per FBX, but never all contents at once.

And you can't simply try to re-import the same FBX to extract different animations. You really do need separate files.

Source: https://forum.flaxengine.com/t/how-...imations-flax-imports-one-or-another-only/987

 

For now it seems to have not yet had any determined effects.
But starting from the end of 2019 it has continued to decline.

 

Couple mean 2 so Couples mean 2*N. Which I think N would not greater than 3 because more than that should count by week unit

Surely what you expect is great. But as I have seen the leak of Bloomberg, regrettable there are no remorse or guilt happened at all. John Riccitiello still delude that he can push install fee in some disguised

So I had hope higher. The prolonged of announcement to 6 days might be from crushing negotiation of changing CEO or selling company. JR will still try to craft any presentation to convince shareholder to push the fee plan. And if it can be done in 2 days that mean he can still fool the board director. But longer than that means they don't buy it and desperation will loomed. Stock may crash. And someone will buy it

If he could simply announce the plan and everyone in Unity just work for this plan like it normal then it was hopeless. Many would be fooled. Non-dev Social would be fooled. Stock market would be fooled. And company around the world will still think Unity situation is back to normal. JR will scrape by and still hold strong position. Many company and industry will open job for Unity or Unreal and everyone will be screwed by them

 

They've warned us...

 

Why would they spend so much time on deliberate destruction of their own company? Makes no sense.
If that was the case, there should be protests inside Unity and leaks everywhere.
I can't believe that programmers who work @ Unity would just ignore it. I mean, if Unity goes down - they will lose their jobs anyway, so the only way to save themselves would be to protest and risk being fired - not to mention the pain of seeing their hard work being destroyed by some moron.
Since there were no leaks/protests about this, then either it wasn't planned or was held in utmost secrecy till the very last minute - I will not believe that a programmer would think such decision is ok - you only need the bare minimum technical knowledge about networking and security to understand how stupid this idea is - probably even most IT students should be able to point that out.

 

oops i did know that, if that is real that is a big "no" for me