Official Unity plan pricing and packaging updates

I've wondered this too. I wouldn't be surprised if this is it already.

On day 1, the moderators were already closing similar threads so that we all stay concentrated on this one thread. Pretty much their way of steering all our voices into an overwhelming "hell no". It was their way of contributing their own voice.

 

Soon.

 

Yeah, I still think Scripting wins.

Sorry to hijack all this seriousness with something frivolous. Please feel free to go back to mulling over the situation!

 

Thoughts looking at the stock activity today:

From about 12p-2p ET (right after the bloomberg article), it looked like investors may have been saying "well maybe they can right the ship", but then from about 2:30p-close they were like "nah I don't think so." A very tepid reaction to the "leaked" news.

Someone moved a LOT of shares around 12:30p - Keep an eye out for SEC filings. Could have been institutional offloading as well.


We'll see what tomorrow brings.

 

I think some one is confused and I hope its not me, but we are talking about pages within a single thread - i.e. number of replies. Which according to Lurking-Ninja we have just passed, in fact assuming no clean up in this thread, your post was marked the highest post count in a thread - congratulations!

 

Oh, I see. That's excellent news. Well done, everyone!

 

I was okay with 5% cap, but I like their usage of 4% more. It makes "early morning me without coffee can't do math" feel like I win.

 

Sounds legit, probably what's gonna happen, probably what was planned from the start, they just hit us with more outrageous crap first in hope that when they 'back down' a little everyone's gonna be like 'ohh good, see, they listened to us, maybe they aren't that bad after all!1!'.

But the main issue still remains, the trust is broken, and they will do it again in the future because that's the CEO's way of doing business (he stated that before back in EA clearly when he wanted to sell bullets to people who already spent xx hours in game) - his policy is to charge people when they're deep into their projects.

And to quote the article on how they want to get the trust back 'We need to show not tell' - nope, that ain't gonna cut it, other way around, it needs to be said, on paper, that developers can stay on their version of license without additional costs if they don't upgrade, but this isn't going to happen, so... **** Unity, personally only finishing the biggest project I currently have going since it would take me at least a year to switch it to other engine, but already moved to Godot and Android Studio for smaller ones, **** Unity.

 

Just to give some context:
- UMA needed ten years to reach this number
- Unity's decision was published less than a week ago

 

You can't look 24 hrs window, as it was a weekend and the stock was closed. The value dropped 15 % from $39 to $32, about since the announcement.

 

If you want to learn it now there's a humble bundle up for some C++ and UE4/5 books.

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My thread is longer than your thread

 

$100k in Pro licenses is 40 dev seats. Like, what "small indie" company has 40 full time developers working strictly in the Unity editor? And why would they be wasting those resources making a crappy mobile game that generates $0.0001 per download?

 

You have given me hope. Thank you, @Alahmnat!

 

That's the scripting sub-forum topic page count though, not an actual thread. :/
But if there ever was a long-ass backandforth arguing thread, it'd probably be there. ;P

 

College students live in the red, but often have time, so I can agree that this will lead to a lot fewer unity devs from college.

I do suspect the drop in drive for unity devs will be sooner than the drop in supply though. Who wants a buisness partner who acts in bad faith?

 

5000+ pages?!? That's almost as long as my main game script!
Good sleuthing though.

 

Yes, you're right - got it now. I'm just glad I was able to add to the confusion on here

 

I used this google search:

Code (csharp):

1. site:forum.unity.com "page-5568"

I'm just happy someone else was there to debug it.

 

I've used Unity since 2005. The only way I would continue is if John Riccitiello is fired.

 

Or their way of shutting everyone up at once once they remove this thread.
If it was spread all across the forum it would be tedious.

 

The only way to get him fired is by not using it anymore, sadly.

 

If 4% cap leak is true - that's good news, but I don't really understand why they would bother with the whole install counting nonsense, and instead just chose a percentage royalty which would equal their expected returns with installs counter + 4% cap - probably something between 1-3%.

No matter if there is a cap / percentage royalty whatever, still completely unacceptable to introduce any new fees on already released games. I think games in development with engine versions released before the ToS change should not be subject to fees either, but I guess that's one area where some developers could be more forgiving, I guess we wouldn't want a ton of people using Unity 2022.3.something in 2030 because it's the last stable royalty free version

 

Greed at its finest. So much for working on this project. Glad I am not knee deep into it, I have time to change to a different engine. But its unfortunate. I was very excited to go with Unity, even bought a book on the fundamentals, and now using the Learn documentation of the Unity site. And this being retroactive??? Ive heard about this Ricotello back in 2010. He's as slimy and shady as Gavin Newsom and any gray haired lawyer .

 

They will keep the install counting nonsense because it will be a way to push their services. They want devs to use their ADs.

 

But couldn't they wave percentage royalty for people using their ads in games too if the game has enough revenue from ads?

 

That's not a bad idea. Just not one they came up with. You need to understand these exec types. They never admit they're wrong. I doubt that CEOs ego would let him revert the changes. And if the install count is his brainchild he'll never let it go.

 

Seems like Unity execs and board members forgot that when you’re slowly boiling a bunch of live frogs in a pot, you can’t just arbitrarily crank the heat to the max. All of the frogs will jump out.

 

It's likely there to encourage developers to choose IronSource since for F2P installs will be higher than revenue.

 

The "leak" is to gage if that will calm us down at all, right?

 

The FAQ talks about giving credits for users who use Unity tools like Unity ads. They always intended that from day one

 

The latter will never happen. Unity engine is hardly fixable without starting almost from scratch... :V

 

"When unity devs are 600 hours into their projects, and we charge you x install, unity devs are really not that price sensitive at that time.
And so when devs are deep into their project, we are not gouging. We are charging."

Find the difference

 

You're assuming I'm forcing players to accept the telemetry to play the game. I have no obligation to do that.

And it doesn't change the fact that I'll still receive spam data.

 

It appears I'm late to this party, but "self-report" means "enable our analytics out of your own free will... or else", right?

 

That's why I'd like to ask you: How would you go about reporting install count?
What I described is a way to prevent spam data using existing unity intellectual property.

meme stolen and slightly edited without any shame

 

No idea, there is no way to track installs correctly even with analytics, you can even force players to create accounts in your backend to play the game and record a device id, it would still not be accurate data about how many time it's installed.

 

I'm expecting the TOS will probably have subtle hints, like "the correct number of installs to self report is whatever our telemetry would report if you had it enabled".

 

Well, probably, otherwise everyone would like just:

"Dear Unity, I have fired up my own proprietary black box data model which says: you can F*** off."

 

To further clarify I'm speaking about this one as a base, plus several of their nft ones I won't mention, because I'd like to have input on this one:

Methods and systems for game system creation

Abstract
A method for automatically connecting game items for sharing by a plurality of game systems is disclosed. A first game system is added to a computer-implemented game. The first game system is associated with a first game system definition. The first game system definition corresponding to a first game object. The first game system is automatically connected to a second game system. The automatic connecting includes, at least: identifying a correspondence between the first game system definition and a second game system definition, the second game system definition being associated with the second game system, the second game system definition corresponding to a second game object; and preventing a change to the first game object during runtime of the computer-implemented game based on a detection that the change to the first game object would violate a rule associated with the second game system definition.

File Date:
2020-09-21
Pub Num:
US11660538B2
Pub Date:
2023-05-30

Doesn't this sound like what I described?

 

0:52 "As a personal anecdote, I spent about $5000 calendar-year-to-date doing just this thing..."

Oh, JR is actually a gamer. He's a goddamned whale.

Unity. By whales. For whales. If you're a child with their parent's credit card or an oil baron, we want your business! The rest of you peasants can suck it.

Typical Gamer's game controller:

JR's game controller:

 

Yea, the main issue with altering the deal still remains. We can just pray they are not going to alter it any further.

 

That could actually backfire spectacularly. You see, every post in this thread adds to a fire... But that fire is in a convenient fire place. If they were to lock us out of here, we would need to talk about this on social media they can't control, where people not reading up on it specifically can see us.

 

It sounds like a way to have the same object defined in multiple games. And if the object is protected or uneditable in one game, then other games can't change it either. Beyond that, who knows.

 

I think that was a part of another idiotic metaverse plan like shared loot in multiple games connected with avatar-bullshit.

 

Yeah, this was a part of their whole deal until they realized that the metaverse had no future and pivoted to digital twin stuff and other business focused stuff.

 

That's only ~$550/mo. It's a lot to us but I don't know if I would call him a whale.

 

Come on UNITY revert all this nonsense asap

 

How the F*** can they patent in-built File system access and basically any Input\Output library worth anything?