Official Unity plan pricing and packaging updates

Wait, it's Monday already?

 

Ah, I see now what they are saying, you said you make say 2 million one year. Okay, sales slow down, you are making <= 150k, in a 14 month period.

So you sell on epic, they state, here is 90-100k, but you get 9 million downloads, which will eventually provide you an increase in free publicity that may later net you say (especially if your game features cross-platform multiplayer capability on console AND PC, and other devices) (this is low balled) 100k-500k in extra revenue for the next couple years perhaps, maybe not even years. Maybe 3-4 months?

In this time, you gain profits which peak at say <=700k$, but you now have collectively, 13 million downloads.

I'm being as accurate as Unity is going to be in the proposed changes.

so that will be: ~700,000.00 in the green (before tax, royalties, and fees)

minus (without a pro license) 13,000,000.00 x 0.20 = $2,600,000.00

So your company is now $1,900,000.00 in the red.

But, please correct me, I don't want to be right here.

I REALLY, do not.

 

Yes. The issue isn't the price but that they make up the rules and move the goal posts as they go.

 

Well most of contributions cannot last too long, its okay. Some peoples will stay for its lifetime while others will make only part of work and gone. Its good, there is no need to make hundreds developers work on it actively.
Also Godot has its major versions for example 3 and 4. Every major version supported long enough and any major changes could be done in major versions, so I don't see there any problem.

 

This is all really sad to hear. I pretty much learned software development with Unity3D, and it has been my go-to for prototyping ideas I've had. I know more about the Unity framework and API than pretty much any other software product. I've been a fan for Unity for over a decade now, and have stuck up for Unity when other people have criticized it. However, the day I heard about this change, is the day I permanently switched to Unreal Engine (Or maybe try out some other recommended open source engines).

Good bye.

 

May they rot in hell?!

 

Kind of like UNITY currently..

 

You have most assuredly not been talking to the community.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you that the Unity cake's got a lot of broken glass in it.

In fact, this whole debacle is caused by the fact that they just dumped in a load of habanero-and-dung-laced broken glass in, rendering the cake inedible and even hazardous to your health, but the thing is, it doesn't stop the fact that there are pieces of opium-laden chocolate cake and sprinkles in there that many of us have become addicted to and can't find in any of the other engines.

Some of us have our nuts in a vise and it's just not that easy for us to jump ship.

A little understanding goes a long way.

 

And many of us are capable of work around the broken glass part and still enjoy the cake.

 

Give us the source, master!!

The sooooouuurce!

 

Sorry, but your statements sounds like conspiracy theories. FOSS already proven itself as a good way to develop technologies. Just compare 3ds Max with Blender. Compare their prices, stability, functionality, optimization... eh... should I continue? 3ds Max its a hell mess but still cost enormous moneys for what it is, that what will happen to Unity.

 

They talked to their insider team. That's why the early videos were on time.

 

Will you eat chocolate cake with a lot of glass or throw it in trash can and maybe make your own or just find new one? I think answer is obvious.

 

rofl, at first i thought this was just someone mocking the expected response.

 

unity made an annoucement : https://twitter.com/unity/status/1703547752205218265

 

So a big nothing-burger. Got it. We can continue all the plans to move to other engines.

 

According to GMT/UTC, so this may have been a scheduled post.

 

https://x.com/unity/status/1703547752205218265?s=20

From Unity:

"We have heard you. We apologize for the confusion and angst the runtime fee policy we announced on Tuesday caused. We are listening, talking to our team members, community, customers, and partners, and will be making changes to the policy. We will share an update in a couple of days. Thank you for your honest and critical feedback."

 

I checked the world clock and it's 8 AM in Japan.

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

 

I think this was covered already but I guess not well enough that Epic in this capacity is serving the same function as Game Pass and every other sub/free bundler. They're the new defacto distributor marketing the installs as free. Unity has decided to exempt them from the fees for mostly I guess the same concerns you bring up.

It's a bit muddy as their FAQ language 'distributor' is colloquially interchangeable with 'store' or whatever the reader wants to bring in. We'll have to fully wait for the legal TOS / EULA to pick it apart. But my quick understanding is 'distributor' for most intents and purposes will be the person who compiles the distributable and has a services account linked to said exec. Pass-through stores like Steam and raw Epic Store, will just handle the holding of said executable. Subscription passes will likely need their own build and tracking. This seems to get messy fast and I hope they have actually thought this through on their services page and invoicing system.

 

Hey Unity! Can i test your new install tracking system?

 

I found one, guys! A person whose eyes are merely decorations!

 

I understand these points clearly, all of your statements are completely valid and really there is nothing here worth wasting both of our energies on.

Just, if you want my take on things and I will leave it there. Always be wary of the big shiny alternative they put for you. I speak from real life experience when I say usually the biggest opposition is also controlled somehow. It's probably miles better than the big bad guy, but there is more to it than first meets the eye. If you try to get into such things, you will find it's not easy to be the biggest "open source alternative", funding and continuity are not easy. Connections are important.

All the best with everything man, sorry if I needlessly disturbed your piece of mind.

 

Even the Monty Python were better at this. Seriously.

 

I don't know what's worse: Unitys new runtime fee or some people who constantly try to defend it...

Even if the fee gets removed, that's not enough IMHO. You also have to change the TOS in a way that we're safe from future changes (at least if we stick to a particular engine version, similar to how it works with Unreal). Otherwise there is always the risk that you reintroduce the runtime fee in the future again (or even make conditions worse).

 

https://twitter.com/unity/status/1703547752205218265

 

eh i don't think so.

 

weak response from unity

 

Yes, it is a Spanish engine with EU funding. There are some important companies in Spain involved. I do not have a very good opinion about it. It is quite different to Unity and IMHO too hard to use for simple things. In fact this engine is more used in engineering. Of course, it can be used for games too but I do not think that it is a good option at this moment.

 

Orly? No one has been talking to us here. Just six days of camping out and waiting for someone to respond to our demands.

 

Wait, not even mentioning adding ads in the editor? I'm disappointed...

 

The executives are at their weekend homes right now. We need to give them time to to get to their second homes near Unity HQ.

 

I have some question.

example:
I died, my son delete game from Steam etc but somebody upload it on piratebay.

Who will pay fees?

 

I am not going to switch the engine because my current project had been working with unity for a long time and is about to go.

but I would say it’s not that difficult to switch engine at all, I learned to use playcanvas and its js code just for a client html web 3d project.

and Godot seems very much similar to unity. It is similar to the legacy Unity 3.5 / 4 / 5, as it’s already enough to make great 3d mobile games without new features introduced these years: yes the editor is more complex and complete than 3.5 but it doesn’t really help the core of game very much! ( if you remember the old tutorial about the game made by Mad Fingers and Angry Bots, you cannot believe they are made with Unity 4)

Let’s learn Godot as a hobby project for now if you stuck with your current ongoing unity project and switch to Godot in 1 year or so for your next title

 

The whole system just going to be "We dinged you on our profit-o-meter, prepare to be audited.".

 

Will there be a fee to view the updated policy?

(Sorry, i couldn't help myself :/ Thank you for the update, and sorry for all the S*** you're probably getting)

 

"confusion and angst caused" = it's your fault for being snow flakes

 

It was posted at the same time on twitter, so...
However this is the minimum response we expected 3 days ago, at this point it sounds like trying to cool melting core of reactor number 4.

 

For those interested in moving to Flax here's a work in progress Unity To Flax C# Survival Guide spreadsheet that someone (sorry, I should find the username) on the Flax forum\discord shared:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-8eEEuDxBcz9NEEipNg1gVXity0qfpN3iQbEqhTBKU/edit?pli=1#gid=0

 

I don't believe you. I won't believe you. I never will believe you again. When the dust settles, your psycopaths will get hungry again.

I believe that anything you do will not be because you care. I believe it will be because the ecosystem you disgraced which then became disgusted with you, forced you to redo the math, which made you realise that your pockets will have less money in them over the next year and onwards had you kept your disgraceful policies in place. So, now you're going to tell us you care.

Some will believe it. I won't. Those that believe it will stick around. Then they will get bitten again but this time worse.

It began with a product that was powerful in its ability to create Unity. Now it has become the dafacto killer of all the Unity it had achieved.

It is now a liar. It is now a sneak. None of what is happening is in any way shape or form Unity.

It's just one big pile of bullshit. I want nothing to do with you.

 

3.2 Rontgen. Not great, not terrible.

 

It's like "we have a reactor melting, but we need to write down stuff, pull out the graphite rods we can use them as pencils".

 

It's okay, they can take their time, I think everyone here needs time to evaluate the many alternative options that exist anyway. I didn't even know of Flax Engine before this thread.

 

Also, while you are here, my personal key demands:
Unity, leave your hands off of my already released games. Let them remain on the old TOS, as you previously PROMISED could happen, in PLAIN LANGUAGE in your blog as well as in contract. Anything that you did to alter this promise that YOU MADE TO US as a conciliatory gesture after that last TOS fiasco was a shady and unethical shell game and clearly done in bad faith so that you could launch this flaming wreckage of a plan.

At this point, no one is going to trust your install number guesses. There is zero reason at this point to trust Unity to do anything other than serve its own purposes. So trying to base a fee off of this guessed number that you will have control over generating is a non-starter for pretty much everyone. Eliminate the install fee.

Until these things happen I will continue to standby with pitchfork and torch in hand and explore options to enforce my rights under contract. If your announcement does not fully resolve at least these two points to my satisfaction then don't even bother.

No one can deny that Unity needs to do something to improve their income statement. However, core basis of the proposed plan is unworkable and unacceptable to pretty much all of us.

 

Why should anyone believe a word you say? I don't.


Unity silently removed their Github repo to track license changes, then updated their license to remove the clause that lets you use the TOS from the version you shipped with

 

I don't think it's fair to call us addicts.

Every business on earth relies on external products and services that need to be dependable. This is why we have contracts about support and prices of these past their released date.

We're not at fault here. Unity is the one breaching the contract.