Official Unity plan pricing and packaging updates

Whataboutism is when you try to distract from the Unity's bad behaviour by referring to bad behaviour by other parties.

Theoretical whataboutism is when you try to distract from Unity's bad behaviour by referring to bad behaviour that other people might possibly do one day if they happen to also lose their mind. And there's no corporate cockfight here, this is just Unity trying to flex on users who it perceives as having no other alternatives available to them.

It's literally the worst impulses of capitalism.

 

Unity Team
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We use a composite model for counting runtime installs that collects data from numerous sources. The Unity Runtime Fee will use data in compliance with GDPR and CCPA. The data being requested is aggregated and is being used for billing purposes.
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We want to understand how this "composite model" works?
How do you exactly get the data?

Based on GDPR and CCPA ( AS YOU SAID YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE)

We as Data Owners ( The right owners of the games) are responsible for Data and we need to know how do you process it ( as DATA PROCESSOR ) to which we ( by the law ) don't have to grant you the access at all.

 

This is the best meme, hands down.

 

"And for good reason..."

Yall crazy...

 

Yeah, sorry, I just saw we were basically arguing the same thing...It has been a weird and tiresome week.

 

Collective letter from game development companies: turning off all Ironsource and Unity ads monetization until new conditions are reviewed

https://say.games/news/unity/

 

A letter saying "What you're doing is a violation of our contract and when I take you to court, you're absolutely going to have to pay my legal costs when I win" is surprisingly affordable. Conversely, arbitration is a scam designed to keep you from accessing the legal system.

 

OK, then here is an honest question for you.

Your players are the ones installing your game on their devices. When they ask you how Unity is tracking those installations, what will you tell them?

 

Yes, you can do that. But the stress and anxiety is still there. You have to spend at least time on this bullshit, instead of... you know... actually developing a game...

 

But Epic provided engine sources and no subscription fees, subtle differences.

 

Been lurking in this thread since page 50-ish, decided to chime in.

I've been using Unity for I don't know how many years. I ended up using Unity for my senior software engineering project back in university, and have since been slowly working on building off of it over the years, with the hopes that I can release a full fledged game or two around it in the near future.

The news about the changes was disappointing, and the behavior I've witnessed from Unity itself has been appalling. I've begun looking into other engines to use and weighing my options (which include just giving up on game development altogether).

It makes me feel sick to my stomach, to be honest.

I don't think you realize why people are upset. It's more than just a "knee-jerk reaction based on pure emotion," as you characterize it; there are valid concerns that people are bringing up, with no concrete answers given. The most that has been given is "just trust us bro," while taking back promises and altering past terms of service to favor only yourselves.

Many have calculated potentially bank breaking losses from this, and all we've gotten is "we're looking into trying to work with devs to keep them from going bankrupt" and "we don't want to charge for" misuse of your system. But yet we have no information about how misuse or misbilling will be prevented. There are no guarantees, no transparency. Nothing. You have nothing to show that you can be trusted.

We are told this is to affect the bigger studios, not the smaller ones, yet we have graphs that show that this would affect smaller studios more and the largest earning game groups have exclusions carved out for them.

You have acquired a software suite that amounts to legalized spyware, announce news of billing based on an unheard of level of statistical data, and yet claim you won't have any data collection from users? Yet, when pressed about how you will derive that information, you guys simply say what amounts to "trust us" and "ohhh, we have our ways." Don't you see how weird that sounds? Don't you see how suspicious that all is?


This isn't something that is getting warped by peoples' anger-- it's something that is real, and more rational thought and more measures of trust on our part isn't going to improve it.

You guys have f**ked up. You guys have shown yourselves to be untrustworthy. You guys have shown yourselves to selfish and greedy. You guys have to fix it. Stating that you feel like you're doing good for everyone doesn't cut it if everyone you're supposedly helping is saying "ouch, this is hurting me!" There's not even the slightest acknowledgement of "hey, maybe we half baked some things." Just "we're right, you're wrong. Get over it and stop crying."

Also, I'm not getting a f**king twitter just to view some rando's defense for this s**tshow.

 

Yeah I agree. I would absolutely feel much more comfortable working on an open source engine than one owned by a company but I do have to give credit to Epic for actually putting something in their EULA specifically about how they'll handle EULA changes and not hiding behind binding arbitration.

 

On top of free Quixel stuff (with tree generator like speedtree incoming), metahumans and other services for free .

Meanhwile Unity gives free fat middle finger .

 

Fair enough. Go out there and commit crimes against people you think 'deserve'. GO DEVS! Jesus Christ...

Josh (random name) that deals with bug reports, yeah F*** that guy. F*** HIS family.

 

According to some sources the death threats came from a Unity employee.

 

You read all of these intents to "distract from the Unity's bad behaviour" into one simple sentence to caution the community not to play the corporate partisanship game. Are you here asserting that you were not a liar, but in fact a mind reader and these were in fact thoughts going through my mind?

 

That's just silly. Unity Technologies is not your government.

 

It's GO NINJA GO NINJA GO NINJA GO! It's like you don't even know Vanilla Ice...

 

Appreciate taking the time to post and not hiding like the rest of Unity. Still switching to unreal though. I would wish you good luck with your game but that may be a bad thing as you'd end up with that big ol' Unity installation bill.

 

Great letter sadly it will just fall onto deaf ears at unity.

 

I certainly inferred that your post was related to the subject of "Unity plan pricing" rather than being a generic anti-corporate rant. I made this inference because you're posting in a thread about 'Unity plan pricing'.

 

If you really want to earn installation fees, the CD key sales model should be adopted. Game publishers purchase a large number of unbound keys and then give or sell them to registered players. Players install the game and bind the key, and the binding service is provided by Unity. If the binding mechanism is cracked or blocked, it has nothing to do with the game publisher as long as the binding is successful. This approach ensures that all three parties are protected from harm: players have keys to play the game normally, publishers avoid being repeatedly charged by malicious users or dealing with pirated and demo versions, and Unity earns revenue from selling keys. Now Unity counts installation counts unilaterally, serving as both a goalkeeper and referee, neither of which they perform well. Why do they do this?

 

Do the suits at Unity understand what made so many younger developers start with Unity at all?

My path was: Consider learning C++, decide not to, learn C#, see Unity has C#, learn Unity. I didn't see red flags with Unity. There were "grass is always greener" complaints from Unity toward Unreal and vice versa. Other engines weren't anywhere close to the Big 2, and had nowhere near the learning materials.

The competitive environment is different now.

 

Not sure if you are familiar but many things in the U.S. are based on estimates. My electricity bill being one of them. I don't think I'll be testing that theory.

 

This shows the stupidity of the whole system: if you're in the end going to accept the developer's figures, why going through all this "installs" debacle and all the uncertainties it brings about piracies, reinstalls, not to mention the huge legal and technical difficulties it will entail, instead of just going the Unreal way and leaving up to the developers to pay you when they go over thresolds?

 

So you do. Cmon now. It is fine you think you can commit crimes against some particular people. I just think that is F***ed up. Just own it.

I just think there are some lines that shouldnt be crossed for money. Not for money.

 

https://steamdb.info/app/404790/charts

After playing around with Godot for a couple of days, I'm very confident that I can port my current project to it pretty easily.

Not zero cost obviously, but way easier than I initially thought.

 

Possibly the dumbest thing in this thread, which is a monumental achievement.

No one has set fire to your livelihood, Unity will live on, there will still be dev openings, games will still be made. For you to suggest that "violence is the appropriate response" only shows how unhinged you are. Go take a breather for a few days and come back when you're ready to behave like an adult.

 

Suits don’t care about anything that isn’t “number go up, but faster?”

 

To people who keep saying that if you dont make $200K a year this doest affect you...

learn to read. It does affect and worse it affects you in a future state that you have no forecast into because of the install variability.. This is nto a busines smodel ANY industry in the wordl today will sign up for. Unpredictable financial liability is simple a recipe for bankruptcy.

 

I think if you've worked on a game for 3 years only to discover at the last minute that your technology partner is actually searching for ways to extract as much cash as possible from you, you're going to feel a bit hard done by.

 

Maybe some of you missed the news: it was an employee making the threats, not a developer. And from another state, so cancelling that event was completely unneeded.

https://www.eurogamer.net/unity-clo...hreat-following-controversial-pricing-changes

 

When a company makes a move that's extremely detrimental to their business, an easy bet is to assume they'll make that exact same error a few times more.

After the news broke, Unity fell through the 20w/21w ema floor, and only today got rejected by it as resistance. The best entry is definitely behind us (seeing as Unity has already dumped 25% over the past 6 weeks), but given a struggling S&P, an inverted yield curve, and a company that seems intent on destroying themselves - to the point of trying to cop some public sympathy with claiming they got death threats?

I'm happy to DCA this short through to November, at which point I'll take a look and see how disastrous Unite was in the face of all this. At that point, the bottom may be in (if the company doesn't full-on collapse).

 

Our licenses were due to renew in October and we canceled them

 

Nice 2D. I don't see much in the way of 3D showcases. What is the story there if anybody knows?

 

Conspiracy time!

Maybe it was a diversion because they are not ready yet, haven't figured out what to actually do. Or they hope the angry mob just magically goes away. In that case, we will go away alright, just not in the way they would like it to.

 

"Azur Games, Voodoo and others ditch Unity monetization tools, urging fellow devs to protest per-install fees"

https://gameworldobserver.com/2023/...ty-ads-ironsource-monetization-protest-letter

I personally don't use any monetization tool, but it seems like a good way to pressure Unity.

 

I didn't find this information but how about older Unity version?
I am using Unity 2018.4.9 and I'm using it on offline computers (I've been working like this on my game for several years now).
How all this mess is gonna affect me?
I read in some FAQ that connection is gonna be required in November, but what if I never go online with my computer?
I can still make builds and publish them.
This is very frustrating to be dependent to such unreasonable people.
We were not asking for a lot. Just a stable and performant engine.

 

Let's hope that many more companies stop their monetization this week and the following one, until they change course.

 

Think business: x ppl cancel their subscription for the engine license leaveing, but y ppl will pay additional for the online live services, as long as y > x noone cares at unity.

 

Not unneeded. If someone was crazy enough to make a threat there are people crazy enough out there to just show up.

And the issue is people just going 'yeah, that is justified'. Which is crazy. We all can agree on that, right?

Edit: But im dropping. Things already messy enough without getting into that.

 

Yeah I don't see why someone would start with unity given how much more accessible UE5 is compared to UE4 and the fact that it's free including source code access. I will say that C# is still going to be easier to get into than C++.

 

Oh, you "inferred" it. Have you ever considered the possibility that there are real, living, flesh-and-bones human beings out there who can think more than a couple of steps into the future? It takes a lot of bad-faith assumption on my part to jump to the conclusion that I'm playing the same corporate partisanship game as more naive people may have been.

 

Apparently creators are joining in...


If you can afford it, please support people like her!

https://twitter.com/samyam_youtube/status/1702692979339661460

 

They are working on 3d side of things...sadly it lacks a bit, for instance proper terrain system etc., but perhaphs with the new traction it will come...but for 2d it seems pretty competent atm.

 

@JamesArndt

Read this. And then read this again. And again.

 

And they aren't even high-poly middle fingers. Nor do their materials work in URP or HDRP!

 

It truly frustrates me when someone asserts, "If you're not making 200k, it won't impact you."
Well, in reality, I may not currently earn 200k, but I feel empathy for individuals who own businesses, employ others within those enterprises, and have families dependent on them. This situation can devastate both businesses and families, and I'm unwilling to be indifferent towards my colleagues by simply dismissing it with a casual, "It's not my concern."

 

Synty studio purple middle finger?

 

As far as I understand, if you have the old Unity Hub or none at all you might still be able to use Unity if you don't update them and have no internet connection(IDK if Hub auto updates).

You can probably still make local builds, but if by publishing you mean uploading it anywhere especially for money? Probably not.