after reading this article: http://www.vfxworld.com/?sa=adv&code=319b255d&atype=articles&id=3096 maybe OTEE should concentrate on the mobile device industry for it's next build option... I suspect us indie developers would have better turn over for mobile games then trying to produce next gen games... but then again good shareware games that have been released on xbox live seem to be doing very well. But at least with mobile games we wouldn't need the middleman (microsoft, sony or nintendo) to veto the games before release. Plus I suspect java and open gl for mobile devices might be straightforwrd to support...? cheers.