Unity 5 PBS physically based lighting question, which direction to go?

Does anyone know if Unity is going the Roughness/Metallic or Specular/Glossiness route? I ask because I'm creating Substances and I'd like to set them up correct so they're ready to go when 5 ships.

Thanks.

 

Lots of Unity PBR info here: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2014/03/20/physically-based-shading-upcoming-in-unity-5-0/

The Universal Shader is intended for all sorts of materials and textures: wood, cloth, metal, rock, leather etc, so its the specular direction; everything on the Doll is using the same shader.

 

It does yarn pretty well too.

 

It looks great, but Im looking for more of which inputs/outputs they're going to use; either Roughness/Metallic or Specular/Glossiness.

 

Or both as a settable option? From what I've read on PBR it should use Roughness/Metalic to make a clean break from the old Specular/Glossiness

 

He replied that they're using spec/gloss. Once you get used to the workflow it is more logically consistent that way.(IMHO)

 

Is Specular/Gloss better than Roughness/Metallic? Im curious since Unreal Engine 4 uses Roughness/Metallic.

 

I haven't used Unreal Engine 4 or a Roughness/Metallic PBR-supported shader, but I would personally prefer a Specular/Glossy shader that allowed for users to have alot more variation in materials, rather than just making metal sci-fi corridors.

Of course, you can make metal sci-fi corridors with the Unity 5 Universal Shader, ill put together a demo and post it here at some point this weekend (next opportunity I have!)

 

Roughness is just the inverse of Gloss; there's really no difference. You can get one from the other by just inverting the colors in Photoshop or Substance Designer.

Metalness vs Specular is different. Metalness uses less memory, while Specular lets you get slightly more realistic highlights on rare complex materials. So it's a tradeoff. Here's a good explanation:

http://www.marmoset.co/toolbag/learn/pbr-practice#refl

 

Personally, I have grown quite fond of the roughness/metallic workflow... it gets me closer to emulating real world materials. I am a user of Alloy.

 

Did you try using Shader Forge instead of waiting for Unity 5?

 

Nice presentation! Thanks for the slides!

 

Thank you for the presentation, it was really helpful.

 

Thank you.

 

That poor doll looks like she's suffering dreadful arthritis in her fingers.

 

How easy will it be for us to write our own shaders that emulate this "one shader to rule them all"? For instance if I wanted to make a shader with an animated albedo channel that still renders with PBS.

 

@Aras do we have any chance of a native Decal solution in U5?

 

Aras, do you know if this uber shader will also include subsurface scattering for skin? What about distance based tessellation with phong?

 

Wow .. I'm glad I read the forums I've been designing all my substances with the roughness/metallic approach as I just assumed that would be the approach... guess I'll go redesign those substances now At least substance is fast & easy to do such things!

 

Yep, LUX has very nice skin, hair, and eye shaders - I hope the uber shader will be equally as good

 

You can also just use a conversion node like this http://forum.allegorithmic.com/index.php?topic=1368.15