Things that piss me off about people that want to make FPS games

Well, their second-most-recent, since Dota Underlords came out this summer.

--Eric

 

Ah, right, yeah. The monetization of auto-chess.

 

I potentially do, but in the short term? Unlikely.

When I say I "potentially do", I mean if VR and/or AR gear gets compact enough that it becomes more convenient to use than a laptop/tablet/etc, with decent enough input and processing to be useful for everyday tasks. In other words, when it gets to the point where headsets become a de-facto replacement for monitors.

In other words, not for a while.

 

The point where they can be used instead of a monitor is, honestly, more than a decade away. It would have to be ubiquitous to reach that point. Like, less VR and more an AR setup directly in something not much heavier than a pair of glasses. Sometimes you want to show people something on your monitor.

 

I do...

Why do you think this is special to kids who want to make an FPS? These forums are full of people requesting help hoping they wouldn't have to move their ... and STUDY.

 

This thread is five years old and they haven't been on the forum in three years.

 

That would only happen if VR hardware became as commonplace and as useful as normal desktop monitors. So far, VR has done really well with a small but enthusiastic niche market. The closest to mainstream market adaption so far would be something like the Go or Quest. The high end VR solutions are in an even narrower niche market. Don't expect VR to displace monitors anytime soon.

 

Yeah. The key phrase is "not much heavier than a pair of glasses". That probably is the point where the VR tech would suddenly gain mainstream adoption.

 

Even then, I don't think it'll really replace traditional displays because, well...

Traditional displays are dirt cheap. Even people with desktop PCs are generally rocking overwhelmingly sub-4k, typically 1080p, sometimes, sometimes 1440p. Generally speaking, those monitors cost between $100-200 USD. They're simple. They don't have a lot of parts to worry about. They don't have to be recharged. You plug one in and you're ready to go.

VR has ages to go before it reaches that point too.

 

Plus if you want to look at another monitor you don't have to rotate your head (yes, before a certain someone mentions it, there are attempts to add eye tracking but then you're still being held back by the very limited field of view in the headset).

 

A monitor worth the name costs at least 10k though. By quality, cry once

 

I do not think monitors will be replaced though. Only in games, and in creative fields like game dev. Going from Vive to Index was a huge leap in resolution, one or two more leaps plus foveated rendering and you will have surpassed desktop DPI and image quality.

 

It's appropriate how much you obsess over VR because you're quite myopic.

 

Haha, no, it's you that are "we don't want cars we want faster horses", "the world has the need for 3 computers". Yadda, Yadda

Edit: VR headsets have optics that let you focus at infinity, hold up a paper at the distance a VR headset have its display and you can not focus. The eyes can't focus that close. Haha, crazy how ignorant some people are to common physics

 

I tend to avoid VR as it is too realistic.

Spoiler

 

It's more like you're going "ah, we don't need buses, what we need are gyrocars."

 

More like

 

Colonel Sanders, knew the importance of 'once you have a winning secret recipe never ever change it.'

 

They didnt change it for duke nukem forever, and it was pretty much a flop

 

Appropriate, considering how only just over 40 of them are out there.

 

True, prolly why the new doom sucked so hard as well. Give me Fran Bow anyday <3

 

I feel I should point out that car is now valued at circa $50 Million, and based on 1960's technology, and probably functionally / ergonomically impossible to drive for most consumers used to a Corolla or F150 or something equally depressing but bestselling. So I suppose the VR analogy stands for the moment.. (I would still love to even look at one in person though)

 

VR is like a fine wine, very much like the sport cars of the 50's and 60's. Todays sportcars looks like

 

If I was a kid and my brother was playing VR, I'd definitely be F***ing with him constantly. Pulling pants down, twisting nipples, kicking shins.

I don't see the fine wine analogy at all. I see it as, "some dummy has his face covered up. He deserves to be pestered." It just seems like that's what ought to be done.

 

You never walk in to a VR players space. My wife did that once, I throw a grenade and hit her over the eye, she havent done it since.

 

Just wait. Next week a vacuum cleaner gonna hit you in back of neck while you virtual warfighting.

 

Our househelp is a older woman and very calm.

 

It's the calm ones that snap though. Don't be complacent. She's gonna get you one of these days.

 

My household help is my mom.

I once cited, ' Don't disturb me today, I'm making a game.'

She promptly replied, 'Don't count on it, you can't even make your bed!'

 

are you a mamista or younger than I thought?

 

I'm 69!

 

Yeah, I pretty much meant that. In the long run, maybe. I'd be more inclined to believe the smart money and research lies in direct brain interfaces. Something that can accurately convince us that we're experiencing the full sensation of a world that's not really there rather than cumbersome headsets that only deal with vision and sound.

Deep learning is already figuring out how to create whatever we want to throw at it, and I think that's more likely the way of the future than figuring out how to simulate things on a video card and two screens strapped to our eyes. VR is really cool and I'd like to think it will have its day, but even if it does I think there are bigger, more interesting fish to fry on the very near horizon.

 

I guess it’s time to rename the thread to “Things that piss me off about people that want to make VR games”

 

Yeah, I bet that'd be pretty compact.

Going back a bunch of posts, they don't have to be ubiquitous to replace monitors for individuals. For instance, when I'm on the bus it's be cool to not need space for my laptop screen, could watch on a "big screen" from my phone, have "multi monitor" equivalent work setups without needing physical displays, that kind of thing.

Definitely agree that they won't replace all exterior displays, we'll definity need stuff like TVs for shared viewing.

That is, until they're just virtualised in our brain links...

 

Microsoft can't even roll out a Windows update without wrecking thousands of computers. I don't think I'd trust them with a brain interface.

 

I would worry more about the Unity integration

 

Just don't accidentally slip any inescapable loops in there and you'l be fiiiiiine.

 

I'm more worried about those famous regression bugs slipping into my mind

 

Agreed. If monitors will be replaced it will be with equivalent technology because the people who want monitors want the form factor and virtual reality headsets are a completely different form factor. Holographic displays on the other hand are exactly what would have a chance of displacing traditional displays.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/looking-glass-8k-story-behind/

 

I'm imagining a holographic movie theater where the entire audience is constantly pacing left and right to get that 3D effect.

 

I am in same opinion on VR. VR will never kick off, to replace "classic" displays, unless you plug VR into a brain.
Simply is inconvenient and uncomfortable device. Even if VR would be as contact lenses, I still don't see much of popularity, other than niche.

I see potentially that holograms will replacing classic monitors first, before VR will step up in place of holograms.
And I don't talk about holograms from startrek alike. But when, is another story.

Still don't see many games played on holograms of any sorts. Which is surprising, as holograms effects are much cheaper these days than any VR device. And don't need that much space as VR.

 

VR will only replace monitors for gaming, and simulation, in some areas for content creation.

Classic workstation and desktop stuff like coding or surfing will be done on monitors many years to come

 

In 20 minutes it's a new day and Valve will have a press conference about half life Alyx, can't wait, but I guess it will be west coast time tomorrow

 

Future is big holographic monitors

 

Exactly.

One thing that could really change the potential for ultra lightweight VR hardware could be wireless charging. If there was a major breakthrough in wireless charging, then a lot of things could eventually become possible. If I could eventually put on a pair of glasses that looked like my current prescription glasses, but also let me have access to my desktop system without any monitors, then mainstream VR tech could really take off. It would require a bunch of tech breakthroughs to achieve that, though.

 

No, the future is literally just those prescription glasses from that image you posted. Imagine if you only needed light weight prescription glasses without any cables, and those prescription glasses would let you access any 2D or 3D content without any monitor. That is the future. Not near future, though.

 

Ah, yes, clearly the replacement for monitors is not complicated and expensive VR equipment! It's even more complicated and expensive holographic displays that right now only function in 1cm cubes.

 

Looks really good and the weapon mechanis looks pretty descent!

 

Hopefully it will sell enough indexes so they can finally afford to buy www.halflife.com

 

More seriously, I hope Half Life: Alyx will be worth the death of Campo Santo and in the Valley of the Gods getting canceled, even though I won’t be playing it.