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Discussion in 'Announcements' started by Buhlaine, Feb 21, 2019.

  1. Ziflin

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    My point was that having a 100 posts of people saying "yes! Add this!" is annoying for those trying to add to the feature discussion.
     
  2. Prodigga

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    Agreed, people will inevitably want to voice their agreement on a feature request. Likes are a good way to do that, maybe this could be expanded to support more reactions like Discord for example - a 'like' isn't expressive enough for some who might still be compelled to reply with a +1.

    I guess another consideration is that replying to a thread will bump it to the top of the forum category. If you care about an issue then that is incentive enough to post a 'yes, +1' reply. Other than heavy moderation (Which would make the forums feel pretty crappy) I don't know what the solution to it would be.

    Well, best we can do is give it a chance. Ive already started creating a few Feedback requests - time will tell if there is any real improvement. Proof is in the pudding.
     
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  3. hippocoder

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    You guys need to understand the voting is dead. That's why it's on forums. Asking for "more" won't work either. Because everything is "more".

    Instead why not actually tell me what you can't do?

    Again. There's no vote on forum either, and prefixing feedback isn't about votes. Nobody cares how many likes or ticks something has, it's irrelevant when your single voice can make the difference.

    All you need to do is be communicative. Just try it out before worrying about inventing a problem to solve by inventing a new votes system.

    I see stuff people have asked for being put in all the time in Unity, so that's something isnt it? if you are worried about somehow lacking a voice due to feedback being removed then this is purely psychological and it means Unity had a bad feedback system in place.

    Anyway give Unity the benefit of the doubt. Make your games, find something you really needed isn't there, talk about it on forum.

    Don't go inventing things you don't need, just find a genuine need or feedback and go with it whenever.
     
  4. Prodigga

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    Asking for 'more' wont work? Everything is 'more' ? What do you mean?

    Edit: Hippo's post has been edited with explanation
     
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  5. Ryiah

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    I for one am eagerly awaiting the amusement that will be the dark skin feedback thead. :p
     
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  6. hippocoder

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    :( :D
     
  7. Prodigga

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    I personally think the move scrap the feedback section and focus more on the forum is 100% a positive. Keeps it focused. I dont care for the voting feature, I just care that our posts get seen and replied to. Even if Unity disagrees with the feedback, silence feels worse than receiving a 'no' response with an explanation.
     
  8. DED-Games

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    So then Unity doesn't care about how many people want a feature? That's extremely disappointing, and even more disappointing that they aren't saying it themselves. It doesn't make me want to participate in any feedback discussion, but the complete opposite.
     
  9. ifurkend

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    I understand the limitations of the original Feedback website (not being notified of replies of each FB ticket is very problematic). I don't really mind redirecting it back to the forum, but I think it would be easier for both the Unity staff and us users if there are sub forums dedicated to feature suggestions. Particle System and Post Processing Stack both have mega threads for collecting feedbacks, but it's not always easy to keep track of discussion of one particular suggestion.
     
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  10. hippocoder

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    I don't think most companies in any industry can't listen too closely for 1000 votes which may or may not have gained traction for any number of reasons including discoverability. Imagine if I was corrupt? Imagine if I, with all the forum likes I have, wanted to mobilise this community to get something done for my own ends?

    I would probably get quite a few votes and that's exactly why I don't push my stuff beyond just conversation... I think about "how would I feel if something I wanted never got any traction cos some idiot mod is flashing his crappy blue badge". I would hate that. Votes really are popularity contests. It could be a popular person or popular feature (imagine if everyone voted for raytracing support and Unity had to add it 2 years ago? it would gut the company's talent doing things in the order users want).

    I think you have great intentions but the world isn't mature enough to follow through. I'm not dismissing what you're saying and I truly think that Unity should look out for the real feature requests. Like for example: what can you not do right now in your project?

    That would be the best feature request of them all.


    I'll humbly bow out of the thread now as I feel I've not given enough space for other voices (sorry, was interested in it as a user myself too).
     
  11. HargrimCsorcon

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    So where is feedback section of the forum?
     
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  12. Prodigga

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    There isn't one. Just post your feedback into the appropriate sub forum and use the new feedback label for your post. And cross your fingers. View my recently posted threads as an example.
     
  13. DED-Games

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    As an idea, the feedback could be anonymous. But in any case, I think my main concern is "is my voice being heard?", as others have also stated. As you can see I'm not specially prolific in the forum or elsewhere, when I need something most of the time I've been able to find it on existing posts or do it myself, but still I'd like to feel that when I say something there's somebody listening, even if it's just to say "that's a stupid request" or "that will never happen". It's not that Unity never listens, I have had responses in the forum and bug reports and I see that happening to others, but at the same time I see forum posts or Feedback entries waiting for a response that never comes.

    I understand it's not an easy task for Unity to keep up with all of us, that they have been burned in the past specially when mentioning a new feature or ETA that in the end couldn't happen, or that there will always be users asking for a fix to the bug that causes for loops in Update move boxes to the end position immediately. I think it's evident, but, just in case, I'm not ripping my clothes apart in rage, just sharing my feelings about the subject whether they have a basis in reality or not, with the hope to contribute my tiny bit to make things better.

    That aside, I have to say you are an hypocrite, you already used your reputation to ask for goat and will get it. I didn't want goat, I wanted bigger editor text. What am I suppossed to do with goat? :mad:
     
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  14. Buhlaine

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    I want to thank everyone for the feedback that's been provided here. A big concern I see is the idea of visibility & votes, and we'll be taking that into consideration as we move forward. When I have more information on our new dedicated feedback solution we will let the community know.

    As a reminder, the forums aren't a permanent solution, but they are the solution that makes the most sense for us while we work to find a better dedicated feedback solution.
     
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  15. huulong

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    If you want to keep both votes and posts in the end, you can try something similar to GitHub: issues are mainly discussion threads (integrating Git commits and relationship to other issues). In addition, it's possible to react to the first post with a +1, without bumping or spamming the thread (although bumping is less important than lexical search in the context of GitHub issues).

    This system has still a big disadvantage: reactions are per post, not per thread, and using the first post as representative of popularity is a kind of hack. There is no integration to search by popularity or display it on issues main view. You could implement it at thread level instead.

    Anyway, since your primary focus is about discussion, it would just be an extra piece of information to evaluate the number of users interested.

    But I admit it is more important to count users for bug reports than suggestions, as it effectively shows the number of users affected by a fault. And the Issue Tracker has votes indeed. The only thing is that it only allows 10 votes per user, and has no actual affected user count. So if there is a minor bug that affects everybody, it still gets low total vote because most users don't want to spend their votes on it.

    Basically, having a total number of users affected besides the vote in the Issue Tracker would provide an objective value besides a subjective one. But that's another discussion.
     
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  16. TJHeuvel-net

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    https://i.imgur.com/Zm2Anqy.png

    I'd really like to know how this sentence ends, and now i cant because i'm redirected here.

    edit: Thanks to the wayback machine i did get it, but there are more gems like this in the feedback section.
     
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  17. hippocoder

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    [Mod note for deleted posts]: Hi, please keep all replies based on data, facts and proper feedback about the feedback. Not looking for drama and drama will be deleted.

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    [Reply as a community user]:
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/get-someone-s-goat - seems to be working.

    Another thought not brought up in the discussions so far is that Unity pretty obviously do use the asset store heavily as a votes system. I would argue the asset store is the best votes system ever made.

    Pretty sure voting with the wallet is the most powerful form of all, and a genuine vote.
     
  18. Fritsl

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    I came here.. from the Asset store in Editor.. to say that it is extremely frustrating so poor an user experience it is to try and browse in my already purchased & downloaded assets. I have many.

    Never mind trying to "enter" one of them to "read more", get back to list, wait again, be thrown to top of list... it's simply a .. very, very poor piece of browsing .. specially frustrating on things I HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED AND DOWNLOADED!
     
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  19. Flurgle

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    It appears when you type in "Map Magic", it does not return the MapMagic asset (I would think Map Magic would come up first, but seems missing from the results). Typing in "MapMagic" does it of course. Perhaps this could be added to the s search/filter functionality ?
     
  20. Alexees

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    @Buhlaine do you mind saying a little something about what will happen to Answers? Or redirect me to a post where Answers is talked about? It always feels like it's kind of handled like the elephant in the room everyone ignores.
     
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  21. omarzonex

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    YOU OF THE HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
     
  22. Buhlaine

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    At the moment we don't have any plans to change Unity Answers. I'm currently working to help reduce the spam there, but the content is primarily community driven and is for peers to support each other.
     
  23. Unity_Ride

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    Failed getting available Android API levels. Make sure your android sdk tools version is 25 or higher and you have internet connection.
    System.Threading.ThreadHelper:ThreadStart()

    A big problem , Anybody have solution please help me...
     
  24. Peter77

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  25. Alexees

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    @Buhlaine will the formatting at least be fixed? empty lines are still not possible after over a year.
     
  26. amdbuster

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    Please Build Zoom in the Animator Window
     
  27. Baste

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    That's already done. Also this is obviously not the thread for that.
     
  28. CausticLasagne

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    I hope Unity decides to roll out a dedicated feedback system rather than using the forums. Lots of suggestions can just get buried, especially really good ones with the potential to make Unity richer than Unreal. Unity should roll out a new voting system and let the community decide what they want the engine to be like, but not like how smiths did those tomato sauce flavored chips. That was their mistake. ;)
     
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