SUIMONO 2.0 - Interactive Water System

You can change dererred/forward mode in your camera render that Suimono is linked to.

Was only wondering the same thing today with UFPS and swimming. So +1 on that.

 

Hey,

I've been looking for a water system for a while now and yours seems to be the best choice at the moment. But from what I've seen so far it lacks some quite important features, for instance:

- There is no edge blending. Where the water touches the objects is not smooth.
- You can't choose a normal map for the waves/reflection.

If these are added it would fit my game and I'd buy it.

 

@radiantboy as @John G. mentioned you can change it under "rendering path" on your scene camera, or you can also change it in the Player preference settings.

@Goldenvale There certainly is edge blending if you adjust the settings properly...



...and you can also replace the built-in textures with your own custom files. The waves rely on a normal map and a height map texture in order to render properly in 3d, so these two textures need to be authored together for best results.

 

How is it coming with getting everything to work in forward rendering mode? Setting it to deferred mode with just Unity loaded does make the ugly brown splotches on the water surface disappear. Unfortunately using this with deferred rendering mode doesn't seem to work with my Relief Terrain pack asset. I think it is because RTP requires forward rendering. Even when I load RTP and change the player settings back to deferred rendering, I still get the ugly brown foam splotches all over my water surface. Has anyone had any luck using this with the RTP and not getting the ugly brown foam?

 

Yes- there are directions in the RTP manual, that detail how to set up for deferred lighting. It's fairly involved but worth it. I've got Suimono and RTP working together in deferred and they look fantastic together.

 

Thanks, glad to hear there is a solution. I will look into that and hopefully have both working for me.

 

Hello chingwa!

Thank you for your help earlier!
Everything is working great, except now when I go underwater my terrain disappears. it still renders the trees and grass, but the actual terrain mesh becomes invisible.

 

Hello,

I managed to isolate the problem.
The terrain isn't becoming invisible, the Fog Spread is covering the terrain for some reason (but not any other object).

I have attached some photos that show the error.

 

@chingwa

I can still see that it has a hard edge:

 

He means like

I think with more wiggly edges?

rather than the more regular sided lip


You are limited there by a couple of things, mainly resolution on the intersecting surfaces.
@Goldenvale assuming you are targeting Desktop you could look over the dx11 tessellation stuff and potentially use a sine/sinc vector displacement pattern over that lip to get your wobbles. (I thought I noted that work had been started/done)

It's not basic stuff and, to be fair, @chingwa really did use the term edge blending in it's generally accepted context of intersection driven graduating transparency.

 

@MarcopoloR I'm making some pretty good headway on the next update and there should be much better consistancy between Forward/Deferred modes going forward. The changes I'm making are not trivial though so I can't give a release date quite yet.

@Therian13 does your terrain shader right to scene depth? also there may have been some unintended consequences of the last code snippet I sent you... adjusting the camera depth mode might work in some cases, but it also might be causing other issues elsewhere. But see above, I think the next update will help alleviate a lot of these conflicts.

@Goldenvale Well sure, the reflections don't fade out... they will be pretty strong actually, depending on the view angle... but the water itself fades out. I can try adding a little bit of fade to the reflections, but it would have to be pretty subtle or it wouldn't be visually believable.

@twobob I get the feeling your showing off in that last sentence and yeah resolution will certainly become an issue...

 

More "Struggling to put into words exactly what I mean", as per usual

and reading back he really was just talking about the reflection overlay. meh.
Wiggly edges are doable hehehe

 

@chingwa

I'm not sure. I use the default Terrain shader. I've never messed with it. Shaders are the bane of my existence, so I try to avoid messing with them.

 

I know how you feel.

 

Do you have a rough date when the next update will be coming out, by chance?

 

Well, depending on how development goes I'd say within a few weeks... but I can't really get too specific yet.

 

@chingwa
Ok. Looking forward to it!
Also, it does seem that the code you gave me is causing it to act that way.
If I change the DepthTextureMode.DepthNormals back into DepthTextureMode.Depth, it renders the terrain again (but of course the previous issue starts again).

Do you think it would be possible to have it detect when im underwater or not? That way I could just have it switch between the two. prob not the best solution but maybe good enough until the next update?

 

Yeah sure, you can do the following instead...

Code (JavaScript):

1.         //UPDATE CURRENT CAMERA WITH CORRECT DEPTH BUFFER (forward rendering)
2.         if (setCamera != null){
3.             setCameraComponent = setCamera.GetComponent(Camera);
4.             if (setCameraComponent.renderingPath == RenderingPath.Forward){
5.                 //setCameraComponent.depthTextureMode = DepthTextureMode.Depth;
6.             }
7.         }
8.         if (currentTransitionDepth > 0.0){
9.                 setCameraComponent.depthTextureMode = DepthTextureMode.Depth;
10.             } else {
11.                 setCameraComponent.depthTextureMode = DepthTextureMode.DepthNormals;
12.         }

 

Ah, I just finished doing something similar.
I have it on line 356

Code (JavaScript):

1.   if (underwaterRefractRendererComponent.enabled == false)
2.                 {
3.                  setCameraComponent.depthTextureMode = DepthTextureMode.DepthNormals;
4.                     }
5.                else if (underwaterRefractRendererComponent.enabled == true)
6.                    {
7.                    setCameraComponent.depthTextureMode = DepthTextureMode.Depth;
8.                    }

 

Either does the trick it seems,
But I like yours better.
Thank you very much chingwa!
Sorry for the array of problems I keep sending your way...
You are AWESOME!!

 

@twobob
@chingwa

What I meant was that the edge of the water doesn't blend with the shore. Now it looks like a plane intersecting the ground. You can still see a seam between them. It should be something like this:

 

Defferred lighting fixed my issues! Looks great. But how do you customise it? I just got it looking perfect in play mode, copied the component, but when I pasted component values they did not put it back to what it was, And I cant customise in editor because the wireframe is covering it, and it looks totally different when I hit play.

 

@radiantboy the best way to work with suimono is to play your scene, edit the settings to your liking, then go down to the presets tab and press the "+new" to make a new preset with all your current settings. Then once you press stop on your scene, go down and select your new preset from the list and it will load all your saved settings the next time you press play.

You can also update settings on an existing preset by pressing the "+" button to the right of the preset... this will take your current settings and add them to that preset.

and finally, it's best to work with the preset system while you're playing your scene, as there are some functions that don't work properly in the editor mode (depth and foam for example).

 

Aha! Thanks mate! Also do you know of any tutorials to get UFPS guy swimming like your demo girl ?

 

@radiantboy
I believe Speed Tutor on Youtube does a couple of videos on underwater stuff. He might have something for swimming.

 

My character is walking on the water and is not going under the water. I have a collider and the water has a collider as well. It's 3rd Person so I have my cam as the camera object and my player controller as the target object. Any help? thanks

 

Hi Sk8terboy4, make sure that your character object/collider is NOT on the "water" layer. Suimono uses this layer for it's own purposes, and other objects on this layer will not interact as expected with the water. Setting it to "Default" or any other layer should allow you to go under the water.

 

@chingwa Thanks I used masked for ground detection and I forgot to un-check the water layer... This asset is so cool by the way. I honestly don't know what else you could possibly put into this asset. I plan to use it my current project:

 

I can't seem to get infinite ocean to work. It works in the scene view, but not game view. What am I doing wrong?

 

@SunnySunshine great name! If the infinite ocean is working in scene view, then likely something else in your scene is interfering with the rendering in game view. There have been issues with the TimeOfDay sky asset recently... are you using this in your project?

Also it could be an issue simply with using the Unity skybox, and if this is the case I have a solution that works in most cases. Take a look in the _EXTRAS folder at the BetterSkyBox asset. Adding this to your camera often fixes the depth issues with the default Unity skybox.

If neither of the above apply to you then let me know.

 

@chingwa

It's basically an empty scene, except for the default camera, light, and of course added suimono assets.

Yes, adding the BetterSkyBox did fix it. However, I don't want this skybox. Is there really no other solution?

 

You can either add in your own sphere-mapped texture, or you can switch it to "Horizon Fix" mode and it should still fix the background depth issues while showing your camera background.

This will be less of a problem in Suimono version 2.1, as it will be moving over to Unity 5 exclusively and has built-in optimizations to get around this type of error.

 

When is suimono 2.1 scheduled for release?

 

It'll be a few weeks at least. I don't have a set release date. Because of the many changes/additions I'll likely be putting out an "experimental 2.1" version for testing on my website before the actual release version is published.

 

So I am assuming you are going to include PBS in the next update as well or is that not needed?

 

PBS is already in and working for a version or two now. It isn't using the Unity 5 Standard shader.... but it does use it's own PBS algorithms based on published research.

 

Okay that sounds great, I'm just trying to get it working in Unity5 and all I see is foam.

 

@DesertRaven yes this is a common issue currently with 5. The first possible solution is to switch to deferred rendering. If that still doesn't help you should temporarily turn off any image effects on your camera. You can read more about ways to address this here:
http://tanukidigital.com/forum/index.php?topic=534.0

The next update should address this annoying problem.

 

If you guys haven't seen the latest "Little Devil Inside" trailer then need to stop what you're doing and check it right now! Oh, and of course they're using Suimono 2.0 in their project

Give them some support over on their Steam Greenlight page...

 

I saw that yesterday and had a suspicion it was Suimono! Nice!!

 

I just got a headache reading through the Suimono2 manual on how to apply the water to a custom mesh. Is there anyway you could improve your product in the way of making it simpler for none programmers, like me, to just drag and drop a water preset to a mesh? All I'm trying to do is to have some nice water in a pool, no waves, just the reflexions/refractions, caustics and transparency. Would be great if in future releases to have some simple presets with comprehensive sliders to set the values. Maybe get some inspiration from the guys at http://lumion3d.com/new-in-lumion-5/ Drag and drop, bang! Change some settings with a few sliders. Please optimise for Unity5 soon.

 

This is probably a case where images speak louder than words... below should really be all you need to do in order to setup water on a custom mesh...



Sorry for any headaches. Let me know if the above doesn't do what you want it to do. I'll check out that Lumion, thanks for the link!

 

Hi "chingwa" okay this will make it easier thanks for the help.

Edit: Okay I applied all the parameters as shown in the images, somehow the mesh still displays the standard material it was imported with.

 

So I just read on your website that you've abandoned mobile as a platform? I purchased Suimono a year+ ago because it explicitly promised better mobile performance in v2. So that's disappointing, since everything I do has a mobile version. I don't see mention of that decision here, though. Is that really a final decision?

 

Yes that's correct, Suimono (starting with version 2.1) is being re-focused on high-end development/visuals. I detail some of the reasoning behind that here: http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/suimono-2-0-interactive-water-system.289311/page-4#post-2017571

I sent you a PM.

 

One more thing I was trying to get a grip on is the infinite ocean plane.
When my controller is away from the shore, inland, I still hear the ocean sound as if I'm at the beach. Am I missing something? Does the terrain stop the water plane or does it just continue as a undercurrent beneath my terrain?

 

The infinite ocean continues throughout your scene. You can turn off the ocean sound effects by going to the "SuimonoModule-->_sound_effects" object and remove the "abovewater sound" audio clip. This will remove it throughout the level though... if you want it to modulate based on how far you are from the shoreline then you would need to write your own code for this currently. In the future I may look into a more robust sound controller for this type of thing, but for now the ambient audio functionality is rather basic.

 

Hi, I would like to know if anyone has already tested Suimono with the latest Unity 5.1 beta3?
I read that some people was successful using Suimono with the Oculus Rift, now Unity have native VR support in the latest beta. => Does Suimono work with the new VR integration ??

 

I haven't checked out any of the recent betas, and I don't have VR hardware to really test in any case. But a few Suimono users are seriously looking at VR in their projects and I imagine they might chime in here soon.

 

It's really easy with the latest beta, all you need to do is to check vr support in the player settings. Maybe you could provide a simple small demo build once you have downloaded the beta (/if you plan to check out the beta)? Just an idea...
Apart from that I am sure one of your customers could report some experiences, soon!