Strumpy Shader Editor [Now Open Source]

@gfxguru i had this problem too and found that if I checked the option 'Write Depth' in the Master node options it made the shader opaque again. Don't know why this is necessary though...

 

Could someone please help me improve my shader. I am very new to this whole shader business but trying to learn! I've upgraded to Strumpy 3.3a and I am attempting to make a shader which blends between two textures, with normal maps and specular. (you are asking why I don't just use the 'ubershader' posted a few pages back... well, I don't really understand what is going on in that one. Seems a bit more complex than what I need...I believe I will learn more if I try to build this on my own to do exactly what I want it to do.) I really just want a slider (value) that can fade between the two textures.

Question 1) Is this the best way of setting up the Normal Map nodes? Is there a way I can get more control over the Normal map appearance.
Question 2) Specular doesn't seem to have any visible effect would setting up an option for Gloss help? (what is Gloss for anyway, exactly?)


not sure this will work but here is a link to my .sgraph file: http://auriea.org/data/static/blendtwotextures.sgraph

 

Thanks womenonfire.....

Does somebody help me to turn off the diffuse lighting or shading of the shader....in cubemap i dont need that....

im too noob...

 

Stramit, new UI looks really slick. Much less cramped, and looks like it'll be easier to expand upon.

Keep it up man. Always looking forward to the next beta. =)

 

By default i think the shaders are for SM 2.0, when i emulated hardware, my glass shader went black when switched to SM 1.
But a shader i got from the forum was still working...

How to make the shader compatible with SM 1 as well?????

 

Hello
sorry to ask this here but could someone with experience do a character shader with specular texture , paid work of course .

 

Yeah wrong place to ask this, you should ask in the paid or collaboration sections, and give more details (there, not here).

 

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but when I load the rim lighting graph it just looks like a diffuse texture. Updating shader doesn't change anything.. most of the other included graphs seem to just show a flat gray object in the previewer.

edit: Ah -- I think it was because I had IOS graphics emulation turned on. Any way to tell what works/breaks when switching to emulate IOS graphics? Do you think this shader editor has much value for an IOS dev?

I was seeing if something like this would be possible: http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/79957-Procedural-Texturing-how-would-I-do-this

 

waiting for beta 4.

 

I have problem to download pdf documentation from dropbox (i always get "The connection has timed out" everytime i try to reach pdf file) Is there any other mirror for this file ? Thank anyway.

 

hi, here is little project with same transparency issue hope you best. doing amazing jobe :

http://creative.ge/example/spaceman.zip

 

Hi Strumpy,

There is a couple of things that bothered me about the shading system of Unity3,

First of all, The term Specular and Gloss is being switched. Specular Power or Gloss is functioned as Specular Brightness, yet Specular is being used as specular Power.

Its wrong and confusing to use, and its misleading for people who are new to the concept. They might carry this misinformed habit to influence other people. I know this isn't related to your work, but just thought to rant about it... I am just foolishly hoping that the nice people who made this can see this post and fix this issue in the future release.
from

Code (csharp):

1. float3 specularColor = pow (nh, s.Specular*128.0) * s.Gloss;

to

Code (csharp):

1. float3 specularColor = pow (nh, s.Gloss*128.0) * s.Specular.rgb;

Anyway, the reason that I am writing this post is wondering if you can modify the internal value from 128 to something higher like 256 or 512?

This should allow even tighter specular high light, instead of the current broad hilight that looks plasticky. With a higher power, the specular can look better with glossy or metallic objects.
like this:

Code (csharp):

1. float3 specularColor = pow (nh, s.Gloss*512.0) * s.Specular.rgb;

I don't know if this is somthing that you can modify or not, Strumpy. Maybe you do talk to people who create the Unity system. But just thought that I should try

Cheers

 

Can this tool build a fur shader?

 

I know.. Its also not your problem. I am not hoping to change it per material, I am just saying this value being hard coded should be higher for everything, as lower spec power would result in the same as current lower valued. But in a hing sight.. it being set at such a low value just limits what can be done by the artists and coders..

Yeah, certain engine called G@mebryo had exactly the same naming problem, that's why I am suspecting this naming issue is actually being inherited from that. Maybe not.. ha! But its nice to see that you are setting things right..And may Unity God bless you for this!!! Looking forward to b4!

 

ooooh it's looking so much nicer! Awesome work!

 

Oooo! I see the fixed gloss/specular and new performance analysis and new Awesome UI you brought us! Thanks!

 

great work stramit.
How fast the shaders are now?

 

Hi Strumpy,

Just thought that before you ship out the b4, I should report some annomalies to you.

1. When a normal Map node is being created with your editor, can you please change the default color to a blank normal color (0.5, 0.5, 1.0) so the preview sphere won't look all funny with a blank Normal Map Node?

2. When linking a float4 specMap texture output to Gloss input of Master node (or the specular in SSE b4 ), it turns the float4 to half3 automatically.
But if I were to multiply the Tex2D's RGBA to anything and connect the multiplied result to the half3 Gloss input, the generated shader won't convert to half3 automatically. And Unity would report a float4 to half3 error

3. The third one is just a feature request:
Have you tried to use Mental Mill? There is a single feature that I love most about it is the Range Slider.
it basically converges (un)bounded min, (un)bounded max, current value, step down, step up, and slider into a single UI. Its really elegant and compact! I don't know how difficult it would be to do something like that on the UI, but I am hoping the Range node can eventually turn into that. Its really easy to read and to modify. I don't know if anybody shares my passion to that design.. hehe.

Heck, here is a shot of the slider UI. its on the right side for depth scale and wave speed


And here is the quote from Mental Mill's document describing tis UI. I hope I won't get into trouble for the quote~

 

First off, this is an amazing tool. This tool has tiger blood running through it. My questions is, can you blur an image using one of the functions? I want to control the blurriness of my reflections with a slider or value, so some objects have sharp reflections like chrome and others have soft blurry reflections like leather. The slider would blur out the cubemap, so these are not real-time reflections. Right now the reflections are being added in on the diffuse slot and are controlled with a Fresnel falloff like the rim-shader.

 

Never mind, I answered my own question after searching the early number of this thread. Makes sense that this would be expensive to render.

 

Excellent tool! I was looking for something like that.

However, I don't have a preview window/area at all! Any help?

 

Yup...can't wait until you release ur new shader editor

 

Anybody else got in trouble with their normals because of these two lines in the Strumpy Shader? :

Code (csharp):

1.  
2.                 o.Normal = float3(0.0,0.0,1.0);
3.  
4.                 o.Normal = normalize(o.Normal);
5.  
6.  

Is there any reason Strumpy does this?

 

stramit...is the shaders are default SM 2.0??
I made a glass texture and it didnt work int SM1 emulation in unity....

But a glass i got from the forums(handcoded) was working with SM1.0 as well...
How can this compatibility be achieved?

 

The shading is very flat and specular highlights are washed out. I think the main culprit is the o.Normal = float3(0.0,0.0,1.0); statement, which (supposedly) sets all normals to the Z axis.

 

EDIT: might not be a Strumpy issue - see next post
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On a standard stretched Unity sphere:

LEFT
Unity's Specular shader (Normal_Glossy), which I am trying to emulate as a base
Specs handled well.

RIGHT
Simple Strumpy Specular shader (sgraph attached)
As you can see, the specs are incorrect - or unexpected at least.
Depending on the object, I get washed out, supersharp or discontinuous specs. Probably related to tangent space indeed, but it seems the Unity Specular shader is more tolerant.

MIDDLE
Just removed the two lines I mentioned from the shader generated by Strumpy:

Code (csharp):

1.  
2. o.Normal = float3(0.0,0.0,1.0);
3. o.Normal = normalize(o.Normal);
4.  

The spec is handled (what I would consider) reasonably again.




Why the spec in the Unity Specular is so much brighter is another point of discussion. All 3 shaders have the same settings for Color, Spec and Shininess.

 

Hold off Stramit - I noticed that if I use Unity's Bumped Specular, the same happens to the spec on the sphere as with the Strumpy shader, so this is not a Strumpy issue.

All advice still welcome though. This is not how a spec should behave on this piece of geo, so I still feel something is awry.

I asked here:
http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/80701-odd-spec-on-Bump-Specular?p=516355#post516355

 

Hi, I'm having a problem with specularity on my mesh, I think is mesh problem it's made in maya, I'm getting some artifakts on some triangles my normals seams ok PS: don't pay atantion to a fliped faces, it's not an ishue.

 

yes - seems to be solved in Deferred at first look!

 

thank you for fast answer
Deferred doesn't fixes problem and it has same ardifacts with defoult bump/specular shader

 

Could you perhaps post an example of how to use this Editor for a reflecting floor Shader? I've got nö idea of where to Start.

Bye, oli

 

So the past couple of days I've FINALLY been able to get into this properly, and having recently managed to learn a little about creating shaders, actually have some idea what I'm doing for once!

So firstly, TOOOO much fun to play with! If someone ever makes a scripting solution like this for Unity, we're gonna be in trouble!

Secondly, I've been trying out using Time to animate various things, within the shader editor details window, it animates correctly (as do the demo graphs). However there's no movement when the shader is used in an actual scene, either in the scene window or game window (when playing). Am I doing something wrong, or is this to be expected?

Thirdly, I think I found a bug, which also doubles as a "well it's your own damn fault for not saving" lesson. Basically I was making a shader, nothing special. I was testing it out, running a quick setup etc. Eventually returned to the shader editor window (setup as a tab, if that makes a difference), and whoops, the whole graph had reset to how it appears after clicking new graph. Like I say, it wasn't an important shader (and the temp one remained untouched) and my fault for not saving. But thought I should mention it in case it's part of something else that might cause problems.



Oh, and does anyone know how to successfully use the parallax node? I think the docs are outdated, and I did search on here, but it seems if you set the search to display posts instead of threads, you can't click directly to the post in question, just the beginning of the thread, so couldn't find anything about it.

 

Have a look at Vizio/Universe , the end is near http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/59121-Visual-Logic-Editor-(Antares-VIZIO)-(video-amp-screens)