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Story Snippet from the game "Ala" Critiques Needed

Discussion in 'Works In Progress - Archive' started by N-Dev-Games, May 30, 2013.

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What is crossing the line when creating a story driven game?

Poll closed Jun 29, 2013.
  1. Rape

    75.0%
  2. Child Murder

    100.0%
  3. Religion

    50.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Kelde

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    I think we scared him off tbh. Unless its totally unecessary violent rubbish means to freak people out in the worst way, i say most things deserves a chance.

    But this is a forum, and what happens in those? Same thing as always, trolling, flaming and clash of the opinions. 2 people think they're both right,and theyr opinions are completely diffrent.

    The OP story has kid zombies in them, nothing wrong there atleast. Im not sure rape would be such a nice thing to have in a game as it is a real problem that destroys lifes far too often by the sick and twisted minds of lonely messed up males.

    Religion.....whatever.
     
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  2. Kelde

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    alrighty!

    Off to animate some enemies, think this thread has seen its fair share of opinions for today.

    Opinions will always be divided.

    Good luck OP!
     
  3. N-Dev-Games

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    Let's be clear to not make anything seem false on here. While we am not a major studio, I am not new to the game design. I have freelanced for many years on many projects before Unity was even released on Mac. I also said that the project was approached based on the concept, not that a contract had been signed. They requested fact sheets and other documents from such as the original game design document. As I said this project is not new, the story is just being revamped. The original post was made on Gamedev. Also, been a member of IGDA has it's perks when getting someone to give your ideas a listen. I am aware of the TOS that is why the incidents are part of hallucinations that fade off before anything happens.
     
  4. goat

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    His poll calls the character type 'Child' but then tries to justify their abuse in the game by calling them zombies. Calling the characters zombies is just innuendo like a zombie workforce and other demeaning ways to dehumanize humanity and excuse this type game for what it teaches. Which is teach people to denigrate and dehumanize everyone you don't know personally. Unacceptable.

    as far as the rest goes:

    trolling in these forums, yes. glamming...lol, you can't glam in a forum. How could one possible glam in a thread like this thread? Posting in a forum is anti-glam. It's almost as guilty as YouTube comments.

    But anyway I'm done with this thread.
     
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  5. Kelde

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    typo, flaming
     
  6. N-Dev-Games

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    The opinions are all acceptable and respected. This thread is actually generating a snapshot of how the general public may feel. The overall purpose was to find out if the rape mention was a bit much. Religion is not attacked in the story and the island is not an actual place. Great thought went into the original story and Research is being done everyday to find ways to accomplish the vision in a non offensive matter. I am not going to brag about a publisher showing interest, but that alone makes me wonder if i should tone it down or leave it as is to get the results i seek.
     
  7. Kelde

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    well ive learrt my lesson, not gonna even contribute to threads i should know will cause a war.

    U can get ripped apart for much less than this on forums.

    I wish u good luck, hopefully u got something uselful out if this more or less "agressive" respones.

    Humanbeeings aint easy to figure out.
     
  8. goat

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    He should expect aggressive rejection for proposing such things as having entertainment value, but I will admit making for of Norwegian government funding pottery artisans was a bit mean.

    And it was a definite no-no to suggest Chillingo supports this type behavior as a basis for entertaining game. It's absurd. There is no signed contract with Chillingo.
     
  9. UnknownProfile

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    How many parents would let their kids but any violent game if they knew what the rating system means? Do victims complain about crime shows (most notably Law and Order SVU)? No, because that is done tastefully.

    goat, I was speaking along the lines of the ESRB rating system. One rating is M (for mature).
     
  10. goat

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    I live in places where some of the children should be raising the adults. I've watched parents march their 4 year old boy into the tattoo shop while I was in the military having my own tattoo done.

    A rating of M tells me the game is for teenagers and adults that are immature. And the game is strictly shlock-shock, nothing mature about it.

    Actually crime victims often complain about such shows and they tend to avoid them. They tend to avoid TV news, newspapers, and other reminders.

    It's the bad guy and the good guy that are the stars.

    Why there isn't more games like Lucy Ethel's shenanigan's I'll never understand. You could practically base an entire game off each episode.
     
  11. N-Dev-Games

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    I can appreciate your views on the topic at hand, I also had grown tired of pointless violence. But I am a risk taker by nature as with most developers. Also, I think that your taking a snippet of the entire project and not even giving it a chance to fully develop. The elements in question are things that were recently added to the story in order to take it to a darker place but are in no way the final. That was the purpose of this whole thing. I was concerned that I may have crossed a line, which I don't want to do.

    I have taken every word into consideration and and believe it or not the flamming is actually helpful.I just think your looking at it from a negative aspect regardless of how it is done.
     
  12. goat

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    I'm no policeman but yes I take the attitude than a policeman would that I will try and prevent such a scenario. And I realize that correctly done you can effect social change for the better in real lives in people though education and prevention. And in this country and others. Then with that attitude you see tentative support but you're in dangerous moral territory blurring such a goal with entertainment.

    I suggested in a earlier post of mine that Microsoft use the internet connection and HMDI controls to do some public service for there customers for a change like:

    a. start up videos, the TV, and software that remind folks on medication to take their medicine
    b. monitor for inclement weather (e.g. tornados), turn on TV loud, startup up safety procedure software and videos to evacuate to safe muster points.

    ... so on .... there are so many opportunities to teach safety to children and adults via these medium

    but morally do you make it fun so they'll play and hopefully safety procedures come almost reflexively?

    If you make the game play tasteful and restrained such as Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz I think it's OK if you think of being in Oz as Dorothy being killed by a tornado and her return home being the wizard granting her wish to return home after teaching Dorothy tornado safety procedures.

    But if you go shattering buildings and have then nothing but bloody carnage of shattered homes in my mind I cease to call it entertainment although technically it's a video game and no one suffered it's not something I'd do as entertainment for children or adults. Make no mistake though, I wouldn't hesitate to create a very realistic simulation search rescue (and it hurts just calling it a game) to train police, firefighters, rescue, EMS and other crew to respond to emergencies.

    So you see my distinction:

    a. In my home for safety training I'd go for the Wizard of Oz scenario to try and encourage neglected teaching at home and school in a way that encourages the retention of that knowledge.

    b. If one has chosen that field as a career then they'd best be trained thoroughly in as many situations as the departments can afford. Unfortunately the cost of burning and exploding cars and vehicles in real life is prohibitive. One would hope those that chose such a field did so to rescue people and not to entertain themselves so I would call it a simulation.

    I don't buy the argument that M entitles a game to gore and violence to make it realistic, especially when nudity, sex, cleanliness are so unrealistically avoided in such titles. It's gratuitous gore and violence and it's immature.
     
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  13. N-Dev-Games

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    This project has new life and is currently being developed in Unity. The demo soon.
     
  14. N-Dev-Games

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    The location has changed and the story has been scaled down. Details soon