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Some sort of thread about women in Gamedev (and an office party)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by yoonitee, Jan 19, 2018.

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How do you feel about game industry being 90% men?

  1. Doesn't bother me. I'm too busy working.

    16 vote(s)
    47.1%
  2. It's great.

    4 vote(s)
    11.8%
  3. It's bad.

    14 vote(s)
    41.2%
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  1. AcidArrow

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    I guess you skipped the part where I said I was a child?
    But things like perpetuated myths are not exactly personal. Inexpert people often take their opinions as is in their inexpert fields and stuff keeps getting perpetuated to the point that they end up mattering somehow. As I said, some of it is personal, some of it is systemic. It's not black and white. You are completely rejecting the systemic aspect, so... Okay.

    @hippocoder can you ban me from this thread? I literally have nothing else of consequence to add and I'd rather not get tempted to reply again.
     
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  2. neoshaman

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    That's true for small tribe in which the percent of the population is high in a single individual, it's less true at nation scale because the percentage of a single individual trend toward nothing as population grew. I don't think allowing women to fight in a nation like the US would significantly impact the reproduction cycle.

    We have rise among many biological urge through social contract, that's how we rely less violence to settle dispute and channel this aggressiveness in creative pursuit. And even then not all men are biologically capable of fighting like the extreme in the population output, so men as a warrior caste as to come from a time where economic surplus of food could allow such deep specialization that differentiate the extreme in the traits.

    Anyway everytime it shows that women have the potential, so therefore, even when women don't flock in mass in male coded job, a meritocratic society shouldn't push back those who want to serve their nation and calling, that's counter productive, especially in our society where labor has been largely augmented with tools bearing the toll of physical strength.

    Also if you want to invoke biological traits, it is rumored women has higher endurance due childbirth, being caraibean, I know that during slavery, women were often task to do the most physically demanding job (like lifting whole sack of sugar cane or charcoal on their head) because they had the endurance advantage against men. Which in many men coded work would be a great adventage to have.

     
  3. hippocoder

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    I'll confess talking about women at all in any capacity here makes me uncomfortable, even if I am technically a diversity hire myself.

    The same curse of replying has entangled me as well. Lets see if our willpower is strong enough...
     
  4. Billy4184

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    Yes I am, because what you call 'systemic', in any individual case, is simply a personal opinion. The only thing that matters is the conduct of one's colleagues in the workplace. After working hours, it's up to everyone to surround themselves with supportive and positive people.

    I get that family members can be a chain around one's neck, believe me - but that's totally outside the scope of workplace affirmative action, not least because in many cases where someone has been influenced one way or the other by a family member, they are themselves unaware of it and their choices are inextricable from their right to simply decide whatever they want to do, which might have happened to coincide with that influence anyway. Attempting to impose regulation at that level of private life, even indirectly, is very difficult to separate from the regulation of individual choice itself.
     
  5. zombiegorilla

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    Not game development related or unity related anymore. (It barely was to start with). The internets are a big place, there are plenty of other places to continue this discussion.
     
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