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Selling A game with free version

Discussion in 'Editor & General Support' started by uberblockhead, Jan 29, 2015.

  1. Teila

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    Aww, that is just Graham. He is too smart for the rest of us. ;)

    Anyway, glad you clarified this, Graham, although I am a bit confused by the "not conceivable that I am wrong". I read it the way you did and it seems from the above discussion that the majority of the others did as well. We really need a clear statement from Unity. This is protect all of us, Unity and users of Free.

    I do appreciate you coming here and I have to agree, comments about improving reading skills was not fair. Legal documents can be difficult to interpret and GarBenjamin's comments were based on an actual post by Aurore.

    At this time, I feel pretty confident that your interpretation is correct but it would be nice to have a definitive answer, if only to make us all breathe a bit better.
     
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  3. Teila

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    Countries are different on these matters. In the US, one can register as a sole proprietor, a partnership or a corporation. The corporation protects your personal assets. I imagine as far as Unity is concerned, all three would be considered legal entities.

    The concern here was whether Unity counted personal income from sources other than the legal entity as company income. I think it would be depend on status in each individual country.
     
  4. Aurore

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    So, legal got back to me. Everything we ever knew and believed was WRONG! So sorry about that miscommunication.

    The actual deal with the 100K limit is in the current EULA;

    1) If you are an individual, the $100k limit only applies if you earned $100k from making games with Unity last year. We do not count your earnings from an unrelated day job.

    2) If you are using Unity as a legal entity, it would be $100k of any type of revenue whether or not related.

    p.s I also corrected the other thread I had linked to.
     
  5. Teila

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    Thank you for clarifying this, Aurore! :) I do appreciate you checking the matter with legal and reporting back to us.
     
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  6. wccrawford

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    Thanks, Aurore. I also appreciate you checking into it. I do wish the EULA was slightly more clear, though.

    Reading the EULA, I notice that it does specifically state that commercial entities can't exceed $100k, but then doesn't specify that non-commercial entities have any restrictions. Or what a "commercial entity" means. The free dictionary redirects to "legal entity" for that phrase, and there is means "any entity capable of entering into a contract".

    But! At the bottom of the EULA, it defines "legal entity" as being a business organization. In that regard, it would mean that individuals are not limited by the $100k amount at all.

    I don't believe there's any such thing as being "too picky" about legally binding documents. I'm glad to know what the intentions of the document were, though.

    Edit: Don't worry about this for my sake. If I want to make anything non-free with Unity, I'll buy Pro and just avoid the headache at this point. (And in fact, I already have Unity 4 Pro anyhow. This was mainly aimed at U5P for me, since I haven't made a cent yet and it was getting to be an expensive hobby, so I didn't preorder U5P.)
     
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  7. Aurore

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    It's probably worth noting at this point that, like when we transitioned from 3.x to 4.x, there were changes and clarifications in the EULA. Legal are working on a clarification for when 5.0 launches to save the headaches at least :)
     
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  8. GarBenjamin

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    Just noticed you posted updated info. Awesome and thanks!

    The main issue, as @wccrawford mentioned, is their use of the term "legal entity". That is what throws me off. I am a legal entity. As a person. In fact, a legal entity is a term that basically just allows a company or other group of multiple people to act as an individual person as far as certain things are concerned and includes those groups and individuals (natural persons or whatever the legal term is). At least that is my understanding. I am certainly not a lawyer so could be dead wrong. But basically I think if they just lose the "legal entity" terminology and specifically say this does not apply to an individual, a person and it does apply to people doing business and using Unity in that business it would help a lot.
     
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