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Resist Jam

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by SarfaraazAlladin, Feb 18, 2017.

  1. Billy4184

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    Nothing, really.
    It's too bad people take this discussion so seriously. OK maybe I beat my drum a bit too hard, but I had hoped I put enough substance into my arguments for it to be an interesting discussion. But it looks like everyone's just taking it to be trolling.

    That's it from me. All the best to anyone taking part.
     
  2. Buttons4Bellies

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    I think it's a little ironic to discourage disagreement, however obstinate, in a discussion that's ultimately about participating in dissent.

    On another note, I've personally had enough of the whole you were Hitler all along method of storytelling. It's patronizing and lazy. If you want to challenge someone, have the respect to do it with information, not bullshit

    How about playing a game that informs you about things like the intricacies of climate science or human trafficking? It might be harder than pinning a pink ribbon on your first person survival horror game and calling it "raising awareness." But I would think this jam is an opportunity to do something difficult.
     
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  3. Teila

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    From what I have seen, lots of folks are doing a lot of different things, including climate change and human trafficking. I think it kind of evolved.
     
  4. Ryiah

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    Does SimEarth count? It had a number of ways that you could control the climate of the planet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimEarth
     
  5. Teila

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    Neat!! There also is already a game about human trafficking called Missing.
     
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  6. Buttons4Bellies

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    Ooh, thanks for the examples! I'm always happy to see games give us something substantial to chew on.
     
  7. IntoxableMelt

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    From the article:
    >Is this jam about violent anti-fascist resistance?
    "not specifically"
     
  8. neginfinity

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    I wonder if it is possible to turn this around and transform this into "you weren't Hitler all along". Or just inform the player that they're playing Hitler, and let them take it from there.

    I think there was a game called "Stalin vs Martians".

    And on related note a good example of "fight vs opression" would be original Red Faction. It is technically about miner uprising (on mars). It is a very good shooter game. The theme of "Uprising" continued in the later games too.

    .... wasn't Half-Life 2 ALSO about rising against oppression?
     
  9. yoonitee

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    I would go but I think I'm booked into the #makeamericagreatagainjam on that day. doh.
     
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  10. EternalAmbiguity

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    While I can appreciate pointing out the deliberately inflammatory nature of this event, being inflammatory yourself is not a smart move.
     
  11. yoonitee

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    Sorry. I couldn't help myself. :(
     
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  12. neginfinity

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    You could try to make somethign that qualifies for both events.
     
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  13. Kiwasi

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    Now that would be Art. If you can make someone see the other side of the story, no matter which side they started on, then you have done well.
     
  14. Arowx

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    That's what abstract games like Romero's Train can do if you start playing a game and working toward an objective without knowing the setting you find yourself being a cog in the wheel of an Autocracy or in the case of Train being a cog in the wheel of Hitler's Final Solution.

    With an abstract or alternate setting you could present any modern issue/problem and drop the player into the shoes of someone on the outside/fringe/outcast side of society.
     
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  15. Kiwasi

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    A game that places me as a cog in some larger scheme is a start. But that's still not going as far as I'd like.

    A game that lets me understand why people supported the scheme is what I'm after. Remember, Hitler was voted in through a regular democratic process. Plenty of people agreed in principle with his plan and ideas, even if they might not have known the details.
     
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  16. Arowx

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    Actually I don't think he was, another party barely won the popular vote but needed a joint party majority to rule so they chose his party and him to be the figurehead of the joint venture and the rest is history. Hitler wasn't democratically elected...
     
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  17. Kiwasi

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    Close enough to it. He got in on one of the technicalities of winning in an complicated democracy. Sort of the same way that Trump got in without winning the popular vote.

    That sort of thing still happens in modern democracies. It's virtually impossible, and often highly undesirable, to have more then 50% of the population vote for a specific government.
     
  18. Arowx

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    Anyone found any other good sources for ideas or examples of fiction, art, movies, games that could help people work on a fun game for this jam?

    What about a Dune like approach, in Dune the future is controlled by a dominant empire with a stranglehold on the only resource that allows interstellar transportation. In a way you could view Dune as an almost satirical view of our modern world and fossil fuel addiction.

    What other Science Fiction is close to satirical in nature?

    Robocop?
    The Matrix?
    Starship Troopers?
    Aliens?

    @BoredMormon
    What about self representation for the none voters, they have not chosen a representative candidate so therefore they should have the option of self representation. With modern technology an App/Website could allow self representation. In effect they could have a direct handle on local and countrywide issues.

    PS It could also make government cheaper to run.
     
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  19. EternalAmbiguity

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    The very, very obvious example is 1984.
     
  20. Arowx

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    I'm not a big fan of 1984 too dark and old fashioned.

    What about Aldus Huxley's Brave New World, where the very thing people desire, want and strive for are the very things that control them.

    Or Animal Farm a Satirical View of Society from the point of view of Animals.

    You could do a Zootopia, Antz or even Crossy Road take on a satirical view of where things are going.
     
  21. EternalAmbiguity

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    Animal Farm isn't simply a "satirical view of society." It's specifically about communism/collectivism.
     
  22. Kiwasi

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    This. More specifically is a commentary on the revolutionary process to get to collectivism. The book doesn't actually make any judgements on the merits of collectivism itself. Just that it's impossible to acheive via revolutionary means.
     
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  23. Kiwasi

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    It's called direct democracy. It's the system the Athenians ran. It's generally considered a bad idea. One of the weaknesses of representational democracy is the overall direction is often chosen by people uneducated in the issues. Direct democracy hands the day to day decision making over to these same unqualified people. Plus there is always an inherent bias in who can spend the resources to participate.
     
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  25. EternalAmbiguity

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    Some people define science fiction as inherently satirical, or introspective perhaps. They say it's designed to put our real-world issues in a new context, to better understand them and ourselves.

    I can't say I feel that way, but I can understand the viewpoint.
     
  26. Aiursrage2k

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    I had an idea to a parody of fake news, but I am already working on 2 projects so I am out.
     
  27. Arowx

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    What about the new Black Mirror TV series?
     
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  29. EternalAmbiguity

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    Maybe it's just me, but it was running really really slowly in Chrome.

    Edit: And looking at the entires, some of them are exactly as political as I expected them to be. Pretending this was anything other than political in nature was simply foolishness.

    #SpeakUpOrPayUp: A Game For Staying Engaged In The Time Of Trump.

    They aren't even trying to hide it.
     
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  30. Kiwasi

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    I don't think anyone was pretending the jam wasn't politically motivated. We were trying to do verbal gymnastics to discuss the jam and the concepts without discussing the specific politics. Mainly to meet our forum rules.

    It didn't really work.
     
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  31. Arowx

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    What's that saying with more than two people everything is 'political'.
     
  32. Arowx

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    Thanks for trying it.

    It was OK on my development machine, but I only tried it on Edge.

    It should in theory work better on a WebGL 2 browser.

    It could probably use some optimisations e.g:
    • Occlusion culling.
    • Locators and camera feeds are running all the time as well.
    • Profiling and optimisation.
    There is a windows version which should run faster and smoother.

    For reference what spec is your hardware?
     
  33. EternalAmbiguity

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    That was a laptop, an HP Probook 450. I know it has a Radeon R5 M255 with 1GB, as well as Intel graphics (no idea which one it was on when the game ran). An i5 or something in it I think, though I'm not sure. And 8 GB of RAM I believe. I can give you more detailed specs later.

    Edit @Arowx: i5-5200U at 2.2 GHz, 8 GB. Both a Radeon R5 M255 and Intel HD Graphics 5500.

    Played way better in Edge. However, I found myself basically trapped inside the game once I let it have my mouse. It was very difficult to get it to let go. I tried pressing Escape and holding it down and both ways it didn't really work. I held it down and was able to close the window. But that was a bit much for a browser game.
     
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  34. Arowx

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    @EternalAmbiguity Uploaded Version with Occlusion and some optimisation.

    Alt and Tab work well at giveing you back pointer control in Edge, not sure why Escape does not work possibly a Unity Bug??
     
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  35. anildemir

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    Our entry:
    https://nettleflap.itch.io/romantic



    It's not much of a game at this state. We could only do two scenes because of my inability to code. I hope you like and enjoy anyway.
     
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  36. Arowx

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    Just a quick video of the game in action (Windows Version).
     
  37. EternalAmbiguity

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    After I got to the "president," what was I supposed to do? Aside from kill him, of course (which didn't work).
     
  38. Arowx

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    You only need to tranquilize the president's brain. It is strangely immune to 'Tranc' darts, press R to reload.
     
  39. EternalAmbiguity

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    I tried shooting his brain but nothing happened. Oh well.