[RELEASED] 3D Scifi Kit Vol 4 official topic!

Yeah!

Just few words to say a good news; I got my motorcycle driver licence!

Music to celebrate this:

And of course, some news about the next update:

I'm working of the different modular pieces that will compose the spaceport. The first problem is the connectivity of the elements between them. Bigger the rooms are, the less modularity there is.

As always, I will end up finding a compromise, but in the meantime I am working on the creation of non-habitable rooms which make up a good part of the structure.




I realize that I was right to make this new pattern texture in normal map.
This saves me a lot of subdivision work. I still keep to myself a time to think carefully about
the hangar system and connections with the current interior kit.

 

Work In progress on the first livable module! The dock bay will be stuffed with a elevator...

 

WIP Rendering

 

What is better than a video? Fit the grid on those kind of env, is a headache (verticaly/horiz) ...
It's a W.I.P but it give an idea of this new kit level!

 

A new link module

 

Hello creepy,
How to use your custom shaders inside URP?

Greetings, Jerome

 

Hi, this picture seeem about the Scifi Volume 3 ? In this case i do not have any solution, except one :

Replace this shader by a transparent/shine urp shader (with a cubemap reflection by exemple).
There is no possibility to convert shaders that are not standard shader to URP.

You need to find another shader compatible with your new rendering engine.

Regards

 

Hey

The first livable module is finish, i begin the second one (WIP Greybox).
The first module interior is finish too. The second module allow you to
dock some others big futur spaceships!

 

IMO, your artistic vision keeps developing, along with your skills. Great to see!

 

I try my friend, i try

 

I love this asset. My FPS is low, I've seen some previous optimization suggestions and I'm adding them. I would also like to use Occlusion Culling, but I cannot make it work with prefabs. Example screen shot with 'P_Roof_Pattern_01_LP' (left), 'P_Roof_Pattern_01' (center), a simple cube (right), and a ground plane. Visualization shows it works for the cube, you can see a blank area behind it, and the ground. But for the roof patterns, nothing is occluded:



I set both prefabs to 'Static' (check box) and clicked button "Yes, change children". In Occlusion > Bake,

• Smallest Occluder: 0.2
• Smallest Hole: 0.25
• Backface Threshold: 5 (100 also has no effect)

 

Hi

The eternal "optimization" question A mesh is a data, it do not have is own life to perturbate a culling engine. In your case the difference is:

- Two meshes are single face, but the cube is a full mesh.

It should be interesting to make the test with 2 unity quad (single face) and the cube. I'm sure you will get the same result. The case where the culling can be disturbed with the kit pieces is:

The wall windows with transparent surfaces, and the wall doors (because if the doors movable parts are static, the doors won't open) in those cases the culling engine need to display the parts of the kit behind the windows and the doors.

 

Thank you -- I was changing things for almost an hour with no results, so decided to ask. This is the one piece of information I did not know, and helps explain a lot. Maybe the frustrum culling will be enough, or some of the earlier optimization tips will get FPS higher. As I have heard, "optimization is an art"!

 

Absolutly... There is one rule in video game : Only draw what you need, when you need...

In the case of the 3DS Scifi Kit 4, i use bunch of pointlight! You can get more FPS via some tips like:

- Reduce the pointlight number (or compute lightmapping => Window => Lightning)
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/Lightmappers.html

- Reduce the textures size! 8K by default... You can get more FPS by reducting Diffuse/AO/Metal maps size

- Make some small level part => And optimize the interior props display Off/On (via script with OnTriggerEnter / OnTriggerExit zones)
https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Collider.OnTriggerEnter.html

I provide the kit with the best rendering possible, because many people reproach me for not putting the lights / particles in the parts of the kit. That's why I prefer to let users optimize the kit for their needs.

Who can do more, can do less

 

Yes, definitely reduce the texture size wherever appropriate. That can be extremely helpful. If a person can do that as a form of LOD, I understand it is more effective to be dropping the texture size than it is to be decimating to reduce the polys. (Although of course you don't ever want to be in a situation where you are trying to render polys that are at such distance they are smaller than a pixel. Just say no to subpixel polys!)

 

Hi there.

I'm trying to edit the prefabs, as the lights are very bright. I am getting error messages about missing scripts. When checking any of the flagged objects, the problem script isn't shown.

I'm using URP in 2022.2.7f1

If the script can't be solved, can you recommend a quick way to remove from all, without having to do so many times manually?

Thanks!

 

Hi

It's because the package has NOT been made with URP / HDRP, the package is made with the
Unity Standard Shader Rendering. If you want to use the package with another rendering
engine like URP/HDRP you need to convert it first!

All standard shader packages need to be converter first because URP/HDRP use a different
rendering method, take a look here (Check the guy youtube channel, really usefull) :

About the missing script: It happen sometime when you load a package (i don't know why...
We have this bug since the first Unity version) but for information the missing script in your case is :



Just assign the missing script and resave the prefab! Just to be sure that ok, create a new Standard Shader Project, import the package, and you will see that rendering is ok
Maybe in your case it will fix also the missing script problem.



Note: It's nice of you to ask for help, before writing a review about a "buggy" or "not optimized package"
If you get some other missing scripts, do not hesitate to give me the prefabs names
and i'll give to you the missing scripts name to replace. Maybe one day Unity will fix this...

Regards

 

Hey

I finished creating the elevators for the interiors, this will allow you to be able to manage floors in the parts where you want to create habitable modules.

I will continue texturing the second habitable module. I'm not very fast at the moment because I have a lot of work and health problems that force me to go to the hospital regularly (but I'm fine, don't worry)

Take care of you!

 

Keep up the good work!, we are waiting patiently...

 

Hey

I'm working on the big hangar half part I plan to allow you to populate a big part of the module area!



Like the actual finished module

 

Starting the texturing As you can see you can integrate the actual interior kit directly on the doors positions, to populate the station shell interior. And with the elevators you can up and down

 

Long is the texturing way...

 

Break time...

 

WIP

 

Work in progress

As you can see the interiors are made for both parts. But you need to work on your side to make your own interior!

 

Some new fresh shoot Some hole to fill , some pieces to add and i think to release it soon
The good news it that give me some ideas for the next update!

 

Hey

Package released! I also (like i said previously) increased the price by 5$... I hope that you will like this release!?

For the next release, i think to go on a cool update... Maybe something around new walls / modules / props to populate those big stations! I don't know yet...

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/environments/sci-fi/3d-scifi-kit-vol-4-231805

 

Yes! Time to update! Very excited

 

Is there a chance to get a discount by upgrading from 3 to 4?

 

It's unity that make sales, i can't decide something about it... just take a sale opportunity! Sometime with 50% off!

 

Oh yeah, just saw the new update ! I have been away from using Unity for months, this hyped me so much I must find some time to spend to try this !

 

Hey

Mode angry ON:

If the opinions on the kit are generally good, there are sometimes reviews that take my mind...

What does this mean: "to much details"??? It's like blaming a car for having too many options and therefore being complicated to use? It's still cool to have a prefab that I can modify in terms of color or detail and/or lights and particle?

Yes the kit has a lot of details! So what? Not happy to have full content? For $35? On SFK 3 peoples reproached me for not having enough...

If I look at the number of reviews from this type of user, I see that I am usually their first review!

So welcome to Creepy Cat world!

But please stop judging products that require whole months of work, on the sole basis that you have launched the map on your configuration and that you do not have a rendering at 120 FPS?

You are not buying a game!

You buy graphic data created by a professional, it is up to you to use this data to create your concept and your universe. for this reason my scenes are NEVER display optimized!

It's normal, I always work like this. I prefer to torture the GPU with maximum textures size and number of real time lights (the worst conditions), and i stop when the FPS number is too low. Because if it runs without optimization, the result will be better with it!

To give you an example:

In the station map, I repeatedly use a wall that contains a large number of pointlights. Well to optimize the display you can calculate the lightmapping to benefit from the lighting (complicated to do) that I did FOR YOU!

But you can't blame me for putting on beautiful lightning that you can modify?! Imagine the number of light points that are on computer/panels props? Nothing prevents you (it's the goal of a kit) to create your own prefabs optimized and without light!

Look the number of pointlight of the livable part: Without lightmap => No way to make it run smoothly!



But you could ask me?:

- "Creepy cat, why don't you lightmap your scenes?"

And I would tell you that it causes problems when you import a package that contains lightmap files. And if you knew the number of newbie emails starting with...

"Hey Creepy Cat i don't understand the rendering when i import the package? Textures are strange?"

=> Yes i know! Just open the Lightning window and recompute the lightmap!

That's why I do everything in real time now, I let the user calculate his lightmapping... Sameshit for Occlusion Culling! If i compute the occlusion => Some part of the scene are flicking during runtime after importation...

So I remind you: You are not buying a game, you are buying a box of legos. As a lego creator, I provide a possible assembly of the elements of my box. That's all!

The problem is that you don't do it, most of the time you take the example map that I give:

=> You switch the platform => Create APK and : That Ok! copy on the VR headset...

Or

=> "Yeah! I'm going to took the map provided to make my project!"

Without asking yourself the following question: And for the next level? How am I going to do the map? And after you write reviews like: "The package is not optimized for VR...", please have mercy! stop this...

You need to optimize on your side! It's not my job, my job is to provide you with a kit pieces, of the highest quality that I can make, putting in plenty of "details" that you can manage...





And remember! I'm not in your head => I don't know your project => There will always be a missing piece of kit for your needs => You need to adapt you to the content of the box.

And the last one... You need TO WORK to make a game! A single package will not be enough for 90% of your needs, in term of code/datas. And a map (even pretty) does not represent a game on its own... I'm doing a cool scene just for you! at least make the effort to optimize it for your needs and adapt it to the specific plateform to use.

It is by working to optimize my scenes for your needs that you will learn Unity!

Informations for beginners about "optimization" :

- Lightmapping:
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/Lightmappers.html
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/LightModes.html
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/LightProbes.html
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/progressive-lightmapper.html
https://blog.unity.com/engine-platform/5-common-lightmapping-problems-and-tips-to-help-you-fix-them

- Occlusion culling:
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/OcclusionCulling.html
https://christopherhilton88.medium....ng-improves-performance-in-unity-887f14227fba
https://learn.unity.com/tutorial/working-with-occlusion-culling
https://thegamedev.guru/unity-performance/occlusion-culling-tutorial/

- Optimization VR:
https://docs.unity3d.com/2020.1/Documentation/Manual/MobileOptimizationPracticalGuide.html
https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...rtual-reality-run-time-generated-content.html


Mode angry OFF:

I'm working on a serie of particle prefabs to create some cool ambiant!

 

Well, you know how it is. Everybody gets an opinion, but some people don't know what they're talking about.

IIRC, somebody living at the time of Mozart listened to Mozart's music, sniffed imperiously, and commented that there were "too many notes."

 

Yes, but they talk too much easy sometime in regards of the work needed...

You have to understand that all of this takes a lot of my time and effort to be fun to watch. I try in the kits to offer the best data and above all I try to teach people how to simply compose shiny scenes. It's my teacher side

I'll be an amateur, I don't care. But this is not the case, we are talking about a commercial product that required years of work... And who still asks me!

And there are days, depending on what happens to you, this kind of opinion makes you very angry

 

I'd need ALIEN structures ! ;-)

 

Maybe later At this time i prefer make better explosions and shoot!

 

As support Engineer I fully understand how much you can get upset when people just want a "play button and everything works fine in any situation".
I personally love your kits, and you made me learn how important is it to truly optimize a scene (even if I still have a lot to learn on this topic). I guess people are complaining because you provide demo scenes that are not optimized with the right reasons you clearly exposed as they expect to have fine tuned & playable scenes for any platform (thinking about VR for example).
If they were optimized they would ask "why my custom scene is not running??" and then we get to the same support issue...
You have my support, just ignore those "first review" users they simply don't know about what quality is really.
Perhaps for kit 5, you could only provide built demos and perhaps showroom scene (only showing prefabs alone) , so you won't have anyone complaining about demo scenes

Yeah particle effects! That's another skill you are showing us, perhaps as separate addon kit? so people interested in effects only could get it alone -> Creepy Cat's Effect pack #suggesting

 

Yes I could do it, but I prefer to make this kit a complete package that allows you to quickly prototype a game There is a very didactic side to the story! And i like when my users report me that they waste lot of time to play with the maps

Sorry to get upset about the reviews, but sometimes I don't understand people... They are never happy:

You make a light package => The package lacks details!
You make a more complete package in terms of modification and customization => The package is too heavy...

Who can the most => Can the least... It's like with photoshop, it's easier to remove pixels from an image by resize, than to add them. So why complain about the details?

 

Yes, that is exactly it. No matter what you produce, people will find silly reasons to be unhappy. There is no solution, because the problem is on the customer end, not the developer end.

Customer: "Mozart, I think you'd really have something if you could cut about 50% of the notes."

(Knowledgeable music fans everywhere, throughout time, recoil in horror.)

 

Hey!

I'm including some new interiors parts, like this one. A small empty module, that allow you to make some mini rooms with ease (very cool to make interiors like shops / desktops / diner room etc...) i plan to make spaceport shop elements to help you to make you own spaceshop alien npc place





Sometime when we talk about optimization, this new map is the perfect representation! Why take the entire Station scene to make this new one... I plan to start from the dock airport hangar => And going inside the station => I don't need all the element of the previous scene!

To make this new scene i just keep what i need:


And because the user don't need to go on the other station side => I remove the secondary livable element => And i fill the hole with a low poly part => Just in case of directional light turning.



This is display "OPTIMIZATION"...

 

Hey

The 1.7 version should be also a cool release! While i was making the 1.6, some different
problems appear to me, and one in particular:

"How to populate a so big env!?"

So yes my interior kit work well for small base module creation, but for a big baby like the
station, it's more complicated! For this release 1.7 I'm going to look into the matter, it's not
complicated to do, and I'm going to rest... Because the creation of the station broke me a bit!

I'm going to come back to simple things, "the interiors..."

I worked also on a script to make some proximity mines It generate a physic explode!
Reworked also the explosions, the gun impacts etc... Many small things. New physic stuff and
new fire effects.

See ya!

Speed X200:


Work In Progress:

 

It's really cool to build his own interior

 

Hydroponic container and plants

 

I think you'd like it:

https://blog.unity.com/engine-platform/realistic-smoke-with-6-way-lighting-in-vfx-graph

https://resources.unity.com/games/definitive-guide-to-creating-visual-effects

 

I'll take a look ! Thanks

 

I have been away from Unity for months but just came back a little following several projects like Creepy Cat's.
As I really liked the spacesport, so I wanted to have a quick view from the small hangar in VR

(No optimization here, just throwing a VR controller and immersed myself in the bay using a Quest2 as PC VR)

 

And now with Demo C without scene optimization, probably my favourite scene from the package at the moment.

Good to know it looks already great in VR (running under Unity 2021.3.22), just need to add a good scene performance boost using LODs, merged meshes, dynamic occlusion and so on.

 

I'm the first surprised! I didn't think it would work so well! What did you made as optimization?

- Lightning backing? Textures size reduction? No fight with decal Z pos flicking?