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RacerZ , earn crypto currency

Discussion in 'Made With Unity' started by zugsoft, Nov 14, 2018.

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  1. zugsoft

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    RacerZ is a multiplayer game where you to have to compet with others pilots.
    RacerZ use ZugCoiN blockchain technologie.
    11 upgradable vehicles
    2'220hours to develop this game with ZugCoiN blockchain integration.​




    ---Multiplayer---
    ---Mobile Cold Wallet---
    ---Easy to play---


    Exchange your ZugCoiN to Bitcoin here :




    -Zugcoin use Proof Of Stake mining system, that means no cpu/gpu mining on your Mobile.
    -200 millions zugcoin premined to reward the players for 1000days(200'000zcn distributed per day)
    -Zugcoin is a alternative economic system for gamer, investor, trader, advertiser.

    For all question about Zugcoin, you can visit https://zugcoin.org , or contact me by private message.


     
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  2. k1mset

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    I doubt anyone wants a cryptominer running on their system while they play a game, especially for a coin that has no value.
     
  3. cartridgegamestudio

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    Well.. Still... I think It's not something bad/harmful that they wanted to try this approach. And game looks good too. It's better than lying about this stuff and adding scam apps into Google Playstore. If Cryptocoins were in their old shape, some people would lean to this way surely, but right now, I'm not sure. Even Bitcoin's value is really down for months.

    And also you should give more details. First of all, why only in Google Play but not in App Store? I'm guessing that Apple didn't allow you to put it to App Store or your codes only designed for Android OS. I'm also guessing that you designed game in Unity, got your APK and reverse-engineered it and added your core code in it, right? Your web page says absolutely nothing about your methods. You should be more transparent if you want to convince people.
     
  4. cartridgegamestudio

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    You may wanna calm down first. No one called you beginner. No one claimed that you used code from Asset store. Let's hope best for you because recently Google Play adopted some really stupid rules for games.

    Well, yes? Because you are not doing a traditional game. You are offering people to harvest their computational power for your own blockchain algorithm in exchange for real money. I think this requires more explanation than "Hey, download that, play, you will earn something, don't ask many technical questions".
    What you are doing is really promising. However, some people ( like me ), may want to know what the hell is happening in our devices while we are playing. I'm not asking for source code or whitepaper, I'm talking about some explanation. Not in here, forum, but in coin's web page. Because it's the location where curious people will look at.
     
  5. cartridgegamestudio

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    I made that assumption while thinking that you are doing mining operation on phones for your coin. So, If you are not using any computational power, what is Blockchain has to do with all this then? I don't get it. What is your marketing strategy/gain from this? What do we create in real life so that you want to "give" money to people? Or is it just a fun way to advertise your coin?
     
  6. Antypodish

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    I got really one very important matter missing in all scheme.
    Where is the cash from, to finance all earning players?
    I don't expect ads to be fully sustainable.
     
  7. Antypodish

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    Ah I see, so it is based on microtransations and supported by whales.
    Feels a bit like pyramid scheme to me, where real gain can have mainly early adopters, who started playing relatively early. Such scheme is sustainable to the point of critical mass, where no more players joins.

    But always I can be wrong ;)
     
  8. Antypodish

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    But you still haven't confirmed, nor explained, where is the value of ZugCoiN in respect to game comes from?
    Ok, you said is not crypto currency mining, so that one option excluded.
    So what is the source then?
     
  9. Antypodish

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    My point is, you can not have something of nothing.
    Like, "Hey I give you x number of zcn then you can convert to BTC."
    Well sure I can, providing I had this coins in first place. In which case is your game.
    So question is, where you (your game) get coins from, to be able distribute them?

    Surely you not producing them, like printing money. That would lead to super inflation. ;)
     
  10. hippocoder

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    You can't promote your crypto on these forums. The game is fine, but now it's about zug coin, so further chat about that will have to go to PM. Will lock thread or delete reply depending.
     
  11. Lurking-Ninja

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    The problem is: this game IS around this crypto. And it causes the main problem. Since otherwise it looks like an average micro car-race with low-poly assets.
    And the developer made at least one very bold claim which isn't true so I'm wondering if there is anything behind this other than the grammar errors in the initial marketing-post.
     
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  12. cartridgegamestudio

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    Frankly speaking, I think he didn't promoted his coin directly. We specifically asked him those crypto-coin related questions and he answered.
    And yes, the system looks shady. However, if the thing he claims is true, then he could be a great chance for people who want to learn more about gaming and blockchain integration. We can't directly say Blockchain = Crytopscam/coins. The technology behind Blockchain is brilliant and integration of this technology into the gaming industry could be revolutionary(Or a huge failure). Regardless, I think he is not doing anything wrong.
     
  13. Antypodish

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  14. cartridgegamestudio

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    No, you are absolutely right about your concerns. However, this is not Unity's problem. It's Google Play's problem. You can always report any game in Google Play to Google. But I see no point of deleting his replies in this forum.
     
  15. Antypodish

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    Unfortunately is not google problem. Neither I am going to report.
    Game industry is manipulated for long time, and such actions are permitted and considered as legal.
    Even many of such technically are gambling ( ocean topic ).

    According to
    https://pegi.info/what-do-the-labels-mean

    It doesn't state that micro translation are not allowed. Technically none of PEGI state it.
    Maybe is somewhere hidden, or probably nowhere.

    However
     
  16. cartridgegamestudio

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    No, It's Google's problem because Google Play accepted that game with those specific PEGI rules.
    We are in Unity forums. If it was an asset in Asset Store, you could be right. But right now, you can call him dishonourable because he is tricking kids and stuff. Or you can advise him to change his PEGI rules or report him to Google Play. But game development-wise he isn't doing anything wrong.
    And to be honest, I think his userbase isn't targeted at PEGI 3 anyway. I think its PEGI 3 because he just answered that stupid Google Play questions without thinking much about them. If you advise him to change it, he would be glad to change it because that wouldn't change his income much.

    But still, I don't think cryptocoins counts as gambling. According to you, we should label as "PEGI 12", each game that has some banks, Wall Street-like diagrams in it because they are basically some form of gambling. In theory, you are right. All investments are gambling in nature. But PEGI states, card/casino type of gambling. Not risk-taking-investment type of games.

    And I still don't get what he has done wrong in development-wise.
     
  17. Antypodish

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    According to quotation for PEGI 12 all is fine, until money is not involved. Technically you can simulate gambling without issues, as much you like. But only until real value comes into play.

    I think is OP game is targeting, as wide audience as possible. Which makes sense. And that includes very young ages.
    I doubt it is OP unconscious choice, specially when trying promote product.

    Google will accept anything, what is legal, to gain profit. Is the business in the end. So I can not blame them from that point of view. So until anything really change, my voice in that matter is rather puny. Specially there is many games like that all over the place.

    As the results, games creators follows what is legal. Not what in essence is always moral.
    Using and abusing is in out face, from every directions.

    So even I don't like it, I can not blame them. We are opportunist in the end.

    And yes, I would rather see much higher PEGI rating in this game.
    Just for simple fact we discussed previously.
     
  18. cartridgegamestudio

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    Problem with PEGI is that their rules are not always really clear. Like in this case, for example, there is no rule about microtransactions. From his standpoint, he is not violating any PEGI 3 rules, probably. However, PEGI wants to fix this issue. See https://www.windowscentral.com/pegi-adds-box-warning-games-microtransactions
    But I don't think this will be a satisfying solution while microtransactions are widely dominated the whole industry in recent years, it's still a step tho'

    Still, game development-wise, he didn't do anything wrong. So if Moderator deleted his entries, then, I guess, that's not fair. But, if there is a rule in the forum that indicates that its wrong, I'm willing to take my word back.
     
  19. zugsoft

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  20. Antypodish

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    We raising concern about rating with conjunction of used methods in your game.
    You promote your game which is fine.
    But equally I may express my opinion, that I am not happy with what, how and to whom game promotes.

    This is my feedback.
    Is up to you, if you want, or can changed things to suit, or not. I am not forcing to anything.

    But my concerns are aiming toward potential exploit of young people in promoted game.
    Hence I will be raising awareness.

    Rest of topic regarding PEGI, is to explain, why my concerns are, and why is legal, right, or wrong to do so in my opinion.

    If you don't agree with any points, please bring valid counterargument, to defend, if you thing is relevant.
     
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