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  1. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Unity 4.3 has just been released - it includes a brand new 2D physics system. The new physics system is based on Box2D and is great, but there a few missing features with Unity's implementation.

    Well, we've decided to fix that.

    Physics 2D Extensions is a set of add-on components to Unity's 2D physics system that add additional functionality.

    Features included:

    • Fully compatible with Unity's 2D physics system, building on top of native 2D physics
    • Wheel joints, rope joints, and weld joints
    • Joint break events
    • Buoyancy simulation
    • Wind simulation
    • Planetary gravity simulation
    • Works on all editions of Unity (Free and Pro), on all platforms that support 2D physics.
    • High performance - the code has been optimized for Unity's specific 2D physics implementation. No needless run-time allocation is performed.
    • A familiar API - uses the same exact component structure, with all components properly exposed through both the inspector and scripting.
    • Includes a full example scene with every component

    Coming soon:
    • Pulley joints
    • Explosion forces
    • Breakable bodies
    • Cloth simulation (One or two-dimensional)
    • Softbodies
    • And more! We have a bunch of stuff in the pipeline that we'll announce later.

    We'll also be updating this package whenever Unity updates their 2D physics, to enhance any new features they come up with. And as always, we're just a click away - Physics 2D Extensions will come with Thinksquirrel's full product support.

    Purchase

    Physics 2D Extensions - $25

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    Requires Unity 4.3 or above.
     
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  2. wccrawford

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    Wow, that sounds pretty impressive. Looking forward to seeing more about it!
     
  3. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Thanks! I'm working on the wind simulation now, then will get right on the documentation. Initial submission to the store is coming very soon.

    Fluid simulation will probably not be out with the initial release, but right after (I need to make an update to Fluvio first).
     
  4. BTStone

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    Any price ideas?
     
  5. hippocoder

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    Is this your own DLL or just some nice native behaviours for the existing system? (I'd prefer native where possible, with C# source) :)

    Got a demo of terrain destruction? Is it kind of 2D minecraft ish or something more?
     
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  6. thinksquirrel_lily

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    The project is built as C# assemblies that build on top of the native physics API. The components hook into FixedUpdate, do their thing, and submit velocity/position changes to the physics engine. Actual native physics simulation is still done within Unity.

    The Fluvio integration is handled differently, as that plugs into Fluvio's existing API and physics loop.

    There's one thing which hopefully Unity will solve on their end - they provide no API for getting the inertial tensor/center of mass for 2D rigidbodies right now, so that calculation has to be redone (only once whenever a component is added, or collider sizes/physical properties changed, etc). This is still sub-millisecond time for any but the most complex scenes, though.

    As for releases, we will be releasing with two editions, one with full source available.

    The pricing I gave above ($25) is for the initial, non-source version, at introductory price.
     
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  7. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Soon! It won't be in the initial release - the initial version is polygon based, instead of the typical texture-based or marching squares implementation. With the 2D terrain, I'll need to explore rendering options as the renderer I'm using isn't ready for public consumption just yet.
     
  8. BTStone

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    Alright, count me in! :)
     
  9. DilipRamirez

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    How soon my friend? That wind simulation sounds pretty interesting! Will it distort sprites? (eg. grass sprites)
     
  10. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Not out of the box, but you'll be able to get the wind vector at any time to apply your own distortion to a sprite's shader =)
     
  11. thinksquirrel_lily

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    An update on this:

    • Code [Finished] - I can happily report that there are ZERO (yes, 0 bytes) of memory allocation per frame, heavy caching, and as-good-as native code performance levels right now. Every feature listed in the first post under "Features included" has made the cut and is in the product at the moment. I also added a new DragControl2D component, that gives control for lifting and dragging objects. It supports the mouse, multi-touch, and custom input delegates.
    • Documentation [98%] - only the new DragControl2D component is left. All other components and the API are documented. Initial documentation is available as a simple README.txt, with online documentation coming soon.
    • Art [Nearly done] - once it is I'll have a web player to publicly show.

    This should be out to you guys by next week at the latest. Happy to hear the positive response from people who are interested!
     
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  12. thinksquirrel_lily

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    And a web player is up!

    https://db.tt/7VVF1auJ

    Feel free to watch it, or click and drag to move objects around.
     
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  13. jerotas

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    Price? This sounds and looks awesome.
     
  14. mu-kow

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    would this be available to use in unity free?

    Can you give more details on "Cloth simulation (One or two-dimensional)"? How much control could be had over it?

    Will you implement Soft Bodies? (Spring bodies and Pressure bodies) See the link to JelloPhysics in my signature for more of an idea of what i mean.

    Thanks!
     
  15. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Yep, 100%.

    Not sure how the final implementation will turn out, but there will likely be simple and tearable cloth components. The trickiest part about this is actually rendering, more so than the physics behind it.

    Sure, why not - great idea! I'll put it on the roadmap.
     
  16. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Just updated the main post with some more media.
     
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    Very nice...
    And what's about a character moving with/climbing the rope ? How does it work ?
    Do you have a demo ?
    Thanks,
    6R
     
  18. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Depends on your game/idea, but...

    I would probably have a kinematic character, and set it's position manually once it touches a rope (just lerp between the two closest rope points).

    If you wanted it entirely physics based, you could attach a joint from your character to a specific rope joint.

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    Also, we're up on the store!

    http://u3d.as/5Sc
     
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    just bought it thanks looking forward to updates
     
  20. BTStone

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    How long will the price stay at 25$ ?
     
  21. Dan_Tsukasa

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    Is it possible to create something akin to the following using these extensions?

    http://youtu.be/7lUzI_mqjuw?t=1m20s (starts after roughly 1 second).

    Of course the push/pull feature is game specific, likely done via hinge joint or possibly via parenting (which I don't imagine would be as wise as a physics joint method).

    However specifically what I mean is a platform suspended, in realtime, from 2 chains/ropes that can swing left/right, but with the chains/ropes moving realistically, ie: if it swings say too high up, the chains are relaxed and no longer 'taut'.

    Hopefully I've explained that well. for the second part this video would explain what I mean a lot more so.
    http://youtu.be/7lUzI_mqjuw?t=5m55s

    If it was to be shown then I suppose the best way to show the feature would be by moving the platform (lifting, swinging etc) by using the mouse to 'grab' the edge etc, since thats a lot more generic and easy to setup than a character/
     
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  22. ZJP

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    Next step? Phun for Unity?

     
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  23. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Yep! LIMBO uses Box2D (which is what Unity's physics engine is based on), so you'll find the rope joints will behave the same way in many cases.

    Haha, while drawing physics is pretty cool, it may be a bit out of the scope for this package. Would anyone else be interested in something like this?
     
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    Thanks!

    Probably until the next update is ready - but this will be a few weeks at the most. I'll make sure to post in advance when it's going to change.

    I'll consider it - drawing physics might be best suited to a different product, but it could happen!

    Physics 2D Extensions will include a custom solver for Fluvio, taking advantage of the 2D physics for increased performance. Of course, it will also enable Fluvio to work with 2D rigidbodies.
     
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    Nice but how do the wheel rope joints differ from using built in circle collider with rotation and hinge/spring joints connecting blocks?

    Also an example/demo with a realistic vehicle with suspension going over terrain would really sell the wheel part!
     
  27. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Wheel joints have both translation along a suspension axis and axis of rotation built into the same joint - this gives better integration and better results with the physics engine than having two separate joints. They also have a joint motor to drive the wheel and correctly model rotational friction.

    The rope joints are actually quite different in how they work. A rope joint enforces a maximum distance between two points on two bodies, unlike a distance joint which enforces both a minimum and maximum. This results in a much better rope compared to using hinge and spring joints (you can better control elasticity).
     
  28. Dan_Tsukasa

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    Ah thats great to hear then, I assume I'd weld one end of the rope to well, anything really so long as it stays still, and the other end I'm unsure quite 'how' I'd attach that to the platform.

    I know via some scripting I could get more or less everything done, I'm not a great coder, but I'm happy to get in there, I'm just curious if something such as this even requires scripting, I want to say yes, but I don't know enough about box2D to be too confident in it.
     
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    You could attach a hinge joint from the ends of each rope to the platform. The top ends of the rope could just be marked kinematic. No scripting necessary for it at all =)
     
  30. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Just released a very important hotfix that fixes the following two issues:

    * [BUGFIX] Center of mass calculations were incorrect for compound colliders and polygon colliders.
    * [BUGFIX] Enabled the wind controller in the example scene.
     
  31. Dan_Tsukasa

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    Is it possible to add visual component for the center of mass and the anchor/connected anchor at all.

    Sometimes an object might only want to be held on the corner and not in the center for example and then it takes several tries of lining up, honestly this is something I think unity should have added from the beginning as a lot of people seem to want it.

    Edit:

    So after some time playing about with your above suggestion I'm not getting much, I can make it work perfectly with 1 rope, but not with 2,

    Heres a screenshot of the setup I'm testing it in, and the result, 2 hinge joints would be needed, 1 for each rope segment.

    $example_zps09975b95.jpg
     
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    Yea this is on the roadmap - anchors should be included with the next update.

    Hm, so a few things here:

    1) Did you get the latest hotfix (as of last night)? This fixes an important issue that may be causing issues with improper joint angle placement.
    2) I would double check the anchors on those hinge joints - they should definitely be symmetrical.
    3) You probably want to increase the mass of your platform by a bit, or decrease the mass on the rope segments (I believe they're all set to 1).
     
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    I've got some more progress but its still not quite right, I wonder if perhaps you might be able to take a shot at it for a few minutes if possible.

    Currently its looking like this, which is great initially http://puu.sh/5nm8k.png however if I try to push it left or right like a swing I get this, the ropes don't actually move or follow it at all. http://puu.sh/5nmbT.png

    EDIT: In the end I got something like the way I wanted by attaching the hingejoints on the platform to rope ends (the knots) instead of to the rest of the rope. now its only a matter of adding more rope joints to get a much smoother looking rope.
     
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    Will they simply be visual or will we be able to move them around too? There is already a unity center of mass script, but it only makes it visible, you still have to assign the position via code which is honestly a bit of a pain (though I suppose I could have made those variables visible in the editor too...), being able to move them by hand would be awesome.
     
  37. thinksquirrel_lily

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    It shouldn't be too hard to make them move. I'll probably be able to include them for Unity's own joints as well.
     
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    Hi,

    Simple question: is it possible to connect body to WeldJoint2D in script? :)
    This works for me:
    Code (csharp):
    1. gameObject.AddComponent("WeldJoint2D");
    so component is of course added but I would like to do something like that:
    Code (csharp):
    1. WeldJoint2D weldJoint = (WeldJoint2D)gameObject.AddComponent("WeldJoint2D");
    2. weldJoint.connectedBody = go.rigidbody;
    Unfortunately type WeldJoint2D is not recognised.
    It's not possible to use this type in script or I'm missing something?
     
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  39. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Add this line to the top of your script:

    C#:
    Code (csharp):
    1.  
    2. using ThinksquirrelSoftware.Phys2D;
    3.  
    JavaScript:
    Code (csharp):
    1.  
    2. import ThinksquirrelSoftware.Phys2D;
    3.  
     
  40. Dan_Tsukasa

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    Absolutely loving these extensions.

    Is there an ETA or a list for the coming update at all?
     
  41. thinksquirrel_lily

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    Glad to hear that!

    No ETA at the moment other than "fairly soon" unfortunately... A bug fix will be coming soon for rope joints in a very specific case, but other than that I'm currently working on a backlog of other projects that need updates - 4.3 changed a bunch of things!

    Once those are done I'll be able to get back to this.

    As for the update's content - I'll be working on the following first:
    • Pulleys: A nice, easy to use pulley joint to set up a working pulley system.
    • Joint breaking: Probably with only the extended joints for now. If Unity fixes a key technical hurdle (and doesn't implement joint breaking themselves by then), I'll be able to do it for every joint.
    • Gizmos: For all joints, including Unity's own 2D joints.
    • Fluid dynamics: This one may take a while, so I might break it off into another release, but it's coming!

    You can check out the full roadmap I have planned in the first post. Also if you have any suggestions that weren't mentioned in either list, let me know!
     
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    Is it possible to make the rope joints non-elastic, so that they behave like a chain ?
     
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  43. thinksquirrel_lily

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    This is actually a known issue - you can track the status here:
    https://bitbucket.org/Thinksquirrel...sue/2/rope-joints-are-not-enforcing-a-maximum

    I'll be travelling tomorrow so I may not get around to verifying/fixing this until later this week.

    In the meantime, you should be able to enforce a maximum distance by using a distance joint along with the rope joint.
     
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    Do this plugin works for Windows Phone 8 ?
     
  45. thinksquirrel_lily

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    It should, but it is untested. If you run into any issues, let me know and I can fix it ASAP. We do want to support the platform.
     
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    You see, i want to buy it specially for Windows Phone 8, so can you check test it first ? Thanks.
     
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    Unfortunately we have no devices to test WP8 builds on, so I can't at this time =(. I doubt there would be any issues though. We're not using anything exotic in the API (everything should pass validation just fine), we're not using reflection, and the assemblies are properly built in release mode.

    If someone here has tried it out on WP8, let us know!
     
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    If i buy it and it will be a problem with WP8, what can i do ? (it's possible to return the money)
     
  49. thinksquirrel_lily

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    If you let me know of any issues with WP8, I can fix them within a reasonable time frame (a few business days).

    As for refunds, those are only permitted in very few circumstances (check the Asset Store terms for more information)
     
  50. Dan_Tsukasa

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    Pulleys sound interesting.
    Joint breaking is something that'd be really useful for my game for sure, if these things were finished before the others then that alone would make an awesome update.

    The fluid dynamic you mentioned, would they work with say a waterwheel? And would objects be able to float on them?