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'OUYA' Android Console for $99

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Arowx, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. ZeroByteDNA

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    To play iOS games on your TV...

    iPod Options:

    iPod Touch $200+
    + $40 Digital AV Adapter
    = $240+

    iPod Touch $200+
    + $100 Apple TV
    + $20 HDMI Cable
    = $320+

    iPod Touch $200+
    + $600+ Mac Mini
    + $20 HDMI Cable
    + $15 AirServer
    = $835+

    iPad Options

    iPad $400+
    + $40 Digital AV Adapter
    = $440+

    iPad $400+
    + $100 Apple TV
    + $20 HDMI Cable
    = $520+

    iPad $400+
    + $600+ Mac Mini
    + $20 HDMI Cable
    + $15 AirServer
    = $1035+

    iPhone Options

    iPhone w/2 year contract $1640+
    + $40 Digital AV Adapter
    = $1680+

    iPhone w/2 year contract $1640+
    + $100 Apple TV
    + $20 HDMI Cable
    = $1760+

    iPhone w/2 year contract $1640+
    + $600+ Mac Mini
    + $20 HDMI Cable
    + $15 AirServer
    = $2275+

    PC Options

    iPod Touch $200+
    + $15 AirServer
    + $250+ PC
    + $10 HDMI Cable
    = $475+

    iPad $400+
    + $15 AirServer
    + $250+ PC
    + $10 HDMI Cable
    = $675+

    iPhone w/2 year contract $1640+
    + $15 AirServer
    + $250+ PC
    + $10 HDMI Cable
    = $1915+

    Coming 2013 (Q1 or Q2)...play Android games on your TV:

    Ouya $100
    + er..
    = $100

    Actually, you could spend ~$100 for a 4.0 Android tablet now and buy a miniHDMI cable for ~$10. With an Android phone, you'd still be looking at $1200-1400+ for the contract as well as the cable. You could also install the Android x86 project on a PC, so depending on the price of the PC - you'd have that option. So yes, there are pricier options...

    ...but where is the ~$100 iOS option to match the ~$100 Android option?

    Hrmm, and this didn't touch on Metro or Linux options. Will be interesting to see how much of a push Valve makes for Linux, how poorly Microsoft does with Metro, etc, etc, etc.

    It would be interesting if UT were actually to make a Linux install rather than just a Linux deploy...but that's another story for another thread.
     
  2. Aguy

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    Nintendo and Sony are the ones who hurt themselves with bad decisions.
    Nintendo is lucky they do handheld gaming right or they'd be dead in the water after the disaster named Wii. WiiU is what Wii should have been.

    Sony kept letting Microsoft get the upperhand in the battle, not once could you say Sony got the jump on Microsoft. That was their fault. That's how Sony beat Sega. Luckily Sony has a great stable of developers.
     
  3. VeraxOdium

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    The Wii was a disaster? Really? Really? What planet are you living on?
     
  4. ZeroByteDNA

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    It was more Armageddon than Deep Impact, no doubt... but the Wii was still a flaming ball of crud.
     
  5. keithsoulasa

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    For 3rd parties yes, for nintendo it still was a major cash cow .
     
  6. Dreamora

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    They did for years already. They are called iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch and soon likely also iPad Mini and potentially iPod Nano

    All they really need to do is add the possibility to create apple tv games and within months you will have an ecosystem shining there of which Nintendo has been dreaming since day 0 of their broken online shop soap-operas, cause no matter what way you look at it, the wii remote is 10 times worse than any iOS device at 'being a controller' for anything but move style games. playing mario kart or the multiplayer mario feels really akward on it due to the absurd layout and button sizes and I wouldn't dare to play smash brothers without my classic controllers either.
     
  7. Aguy

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    Last year Nintendo had it's first FULL YEAR LOSS.
    Last quarter they lost $220M

    Their income has been going down every year for the past several years.

    They have issues.

    They're not bankrupt or anything but they have their own issues
     
  8. khanstruct

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  9. BrUnO-XaVIeR

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    Very nice. Now I want one to play. Not thinking about developing for it since long ago, but looks like it will have few good games to play.
    Still, that is what we will see in Ouya... Ports from Google Play. But RPGs are much better outside the touchscreen model.
     
  10. Starsman Games

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    The Wii digital store was a disaster. There is no excuse there. They had the most proliferated console out there, yet they did not manage to make their digital market move.

    Pricing was an issue. Another issue was their release schedule. They should never have done their stupid week by week release of one or two titles. They should had at minimum released 20 titles per week.

    Pricing was along the lines of:

    NES Games 5 bucks
    SNES Games 8 Bucks
    N64 Games 10 bucks.

    Also (not sure if still true) they tied purchases to the console. If you sold your console or it broke and you had to buy a new one, you are out of luck. All your expensive investment lost.

    Really... that digital market was a disaster. And from what I gather, they have not learned better with their 3DS shop.

    Touch screen devices just dont work to replace gamepads. If you are looking at the screen, sure they work. But once you look at a TV and no longer have your eyes set on the controller, you need tactile feedback as to where the buttons are.

    Nintendo sells other controllers, although I argue they should had shipped at least one of those inside the Wii box.


    That gets me nostalgic and want to play it now... oh wait!!! It's on my iPhone! :D
     
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  11. MarigoldFleur

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    So you're complaining that they cost, on average, between just as much or a third as much as it costs to buy the games used? The eShop is pretty successful.
     
  12. Starsman Games

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    I complain they cost too much for digital copies that are untransferable not only to other people but also to other consoles owned by myself.

    Mind you, I actually am sort of fine with the N64 price and have purchased a few titles (Like Paper Mario.)

    But even then, thats me. Today, the prices for digital downloads has drastically gone down. Unless we talking about some big name game, like a Mario NES game, there is little chance they will turn out any profit selling NES games at that price.
     
  13. MarigoldFleur

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    Except they don't, because people are willing to spend that much. They don't cost to much, nor are they too expensive because that is what the market is willing to pay. They're also of a considerably better quality than most other games in those price ranges on other platforms.
     
  14. Starsman Games

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    For that argument to be valid, you would have to show me evidence that people are actually willing to pay for those prices. I don't think they are. At first there was a boom, but everyone I know (bit anecdotist but bear with me) no longer wants to invest a penny in the Wii store.

    Developers have publicly bashed the horrendous profits that can be done selling WiiWare, pointing at very few people ever even entering the store anymore.

    Some. There is a lot of shovel ware that was shovel ware in the 80s and is just filler junk today.
     
  15. MarigoldFleur

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    Third party developers aren't even near the same as classic titles re-released and comparing the two is like comparing The Son of Man and oranges. Even when the numbers declined, they were still pretty high up there a couple years ago, which is why the service persists.
     
  16. Starsman Games

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    According to the link you provide, they are not so "Son of Man" and oranges.

    Wiiware is listed to make 59 million there. Virtual console 66 million. Thats only a 10% difference in performance. That also was with Wiiware going up while VC was dropping. If that trend persisted, today's anecdotes on Wiiware are even a bigger factor on how badly VC is doing now.

    Mind you, it was not until late in 2010 that the app store trully caught on fire, and thats what I called the big disruptor.
     
  17. taumel

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    You can't say that the Ouya marketing is doing a bad job in triggering your dislike buttons.

    "Not only will VEVO and OUYA bring high definition music video programming back to the TV -- we’re turning control over to you. Access music videos from your favorite artists like JAY Z, Nicki Minaj, Justin Bieber, Shakira, Kings of Leon, The Killers, Big K.R.I.T., Florence + The Machine, John Mayer and P!nk when you want them and where you want them: on your big, shiny television!"
     
  18. ZeroByteDNA

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    You mean like I can currently do by hooking up my PC, Mac, Linux, iOS, or Android device to the TV? Hell, depending on the TV - TV appliance - DVD/Blu-Ray player, I can just stick a USB stick in with them.

    I'm waiting for them to tell me something I can do with their device that I cannot already do with another device. Perhaps something I can do better? They can't even really compete in regard to price outside of the person that does not already have a device that can do it. There though, they face the issue of will the device do enough or would that money be better spent toward a better device.

    It definitely has one thing going for it - size. It won't take up much space when it's forgotten about in the back of the closet. Hell, it could fall down behind the TV and not be missed...

    edit:

    But like I said before, if they work with Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android) - add VGA (and DVI) video output - then they've also got a $100 PC. That gets into the OLPC desktop concept and could really do something. You've got the "console" that the kid can play games on...and...do his homework. You've got the "console" that the family can track their expenses, etc, etc, etc and play games.

    Cause face it, it's not really a console by any means. It's an Android desktop. Take that up a notch - and - bazinga.
     
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  19. taumel

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    I mean Iggy Pop S***ting on the Ouya would more impresse me than the possibility to listen to Justin Bieber on my shiny TV with it, or any other device.
     
  20. ZeroByteDNA

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    Then you should like this video, his most recent. Here and there, after 4min - you'll see snippets you'd like. Course, you can see much of that starting at 5:16...

    ...as an aside, what would one call this: TweenStep? ToddlerStep? It's funny that some label it DubStep, eh?

    But yeah, anyway - enjoy Michael Madsen beating the crap out of Bieber. :)

     
  21. taumel

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    The GEMA protects me, it's not available in my country.
     
  22. ZeroByteDNA

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    That's a shame...Madsen really hammers him. I thought you'd get a kick from seeing Bieber spitting blood after being punched in the face a few times. Sure, it's fake and all - but that doesn't mean it's not fun to watch. :)

    Course, it leaves me to wonder how many of the likes on that video are for Bieber and how many are for Madsen beating the crap out of him...lol.
     
  23. taumel

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    Thanks anyway. Well, it's okay if others like those kind of music but that's just not me.
     
  24. taumel

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    You know there once was a time when Andy Warhol was promoting the Amiga.

    Now a.o. it's about naming Justin Bieber being available for the Ouya.

    I think i need a beer right now.
     
  25. khanstruct

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    I hesitate to get into this portion of the conversation, but!..

    I'm not a fan of Justin Bieber. No one I know is a fan of Justin Bieber. However, someone out there is makin that kid rich.

    This is a shining example of how subjective the opinions here are. Just because you don't like something; just because the people you talk to don't like something, it doesn't mean its a failure on the mass market. The world is a whole lot bigger than our opinions.
     
  26. taumel

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    a) My opinion is meant to be subjective, b) i'm aware of that my personal taste doesn't reflect the mass market in a number of cases, c) i'm capable of making business observations, considerations and decisions also excluding my personal taste, d) that beer is yummy, e) this isn't the only reason why i dislike the Ouya, it's more that they add brick by brick to the wall of my personal displeasure about the Ouya, f) feel free to disagree.
     
  27. Paradigm-SW

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    After OnLive was announced, I have high hopes for the OUYA. I'm getting the limited edition :p

    Couldn't care less for VEVO though.
     
  28. Artificial

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    Needs to be hack proof and have fairly moderate graphics if it's going to compete with the PC and other top Colsoles, and besides. They only have a prototype so far.
     
  29. Paradigm-SW

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    It'll do 1080p. And the point of it is that it's modable.
     
  30. Starsman Games

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    So, the point is that its trivially easy to pirate software? Gotcha.
     
  31. Paradigm-SW

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    Modable doesn't mean it's easily piratable. Certainly, you can put root it, etc though.
     
  32. BrUnO-XaVIeR

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    The point is sell hardware units and to let dumb developers dying on the sea of pirated software ;)
    I will wait for someone next year to say "-We sold 50.000 copies in Ouya" rofl.

    But Oculus Rift is something else... Ppl who buy that are ppl who have money and are willing to pay an extra pile of bucks just to play the same game they already play, but in VR this time. That thing gonna make tons of monneis to developers AND the hardware makers.
     
  33. Paradigm-SW

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    Don't know about that Oculus thing, it isn't that revolutionary and you still need a good PC etc to use it. AR is where it's at IMO, not VR. IMO, OUYA being able to use OnLive and the like is a killer, you've got a rubiks cube sized console for 99 bucks that can play the likes of Skyrim and Battlefield. Not to mention the Oculus is very expensive. I'll see how it pans out, but likely give it a miss.
     
  34. Paradigm-SW

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    Now, if they combined OUYA and the Rift, now we're talking... ;)
     
  35. taumel

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    No, we aren't as you won't be able to play games like Skyrim on the Ouya and services like On-Live still have a long way to go until they work in larger parts of the world in a convincing way if being available at all.

    And as long as the visual experience is awesome there also is a market for such devices like the Oculus Rift as the Voodoo 3dfx once has shown.
     
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  36. Paradigm-SW

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    The OUYA can put out 1080p, so explain to me why it cannot play Skyrim.
     
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    Heh, I ran my S3 main card with a pair of Voodoo in SLI - three video cards way back in the day, trippy....so I can see where folks would want the Rift. I wouldn't want one, but I can definitely see where there would be a market for it down the road. I still see them as selling prototype kits rather than dev kits.
     
  38. taumel

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    @Paradigm-SW
    Uhm ... because the hardware is too slow for calculating all that stuff directly in a convincing quality? Or because On-Live comes with serious latency depending on your internet connection/where you're living/what kind of internet connection you're having (mobile/capped/...) or isn't available at all?

    @ZeroByteDNA
    I definitely want one. :O)
     
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    Onlive is no where near primetime- but maybe next year when Oyua launches . Games need to be cheaper though , like 50$ for a long-term RENTAL of a game isn't all that great .
     
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    1080p doesn't mean powerful hardware, is just the output resolution.
    Skyrim wont be able to run in a Tegra3 hardware. Even on modern Desktop hardware, Skyrim slows to a crawl.
     
  41. taumel

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    Their renting service is too pricey, you don't own anything (which is a problem for many gamers) and OnLive also won't go anywhere next year in germany.
     
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    But OnLive's service does all the processing for you. So technically, if you've got a good Internet connection (check! ^^) and have a console with 1080p (check) then you can run it.
     
  43. taumel

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    But you do realise that most people don't have such an internet connection and the visual quality still is compressed (beside of the issues i've mentioned above)?
     
  44. Paradigm-SW

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    AFAIC, the issues you mentioned that affect me are cost of games and games alone. If the OnLive set top box can put out 1080p then OUYA's version can too.
     
  45. taumel

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    Okay, so you didn't understand what i was talking about, nevermind.
     
  46. Paradigm-SW

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    I understood perfectly. Especially by next year, the only negative aspect is the price of game rent.
     
  47. ZeroByteDNA

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    Next year, as more and more ISPs begin to cap 'n throttle because of the sheer amount of bandwidth being used by all of the various online services?
     
  48. taumel

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    @ZeroByteDNA
    Hey, you want the futuristic Oculus Rift helmet as well. If it's only for the sake to get seasick or impress not so tech safey women.
     
  49. Paradigm-SW

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    I don't know about you but my speed's just doubled and it's gonna double again next year :)
     
  50. khanstruct

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    High speed internet is spreading, not declining or capping.

    Note: That image is from 2 years ago.
     
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