[Official] Particle System [Shuriken] Improvements

I mean, if Shuriken is on hold I guess Over Lifetime / Over Duration is something that cooould be somehow addressed in VFX graph (allow users to pick an icon or something for a property? Who knows!). Tooltip will do the trick tho!

Glad you like the Curve Random param idea! I used that solution a lot on another game I worked on in a custom engine and it worked beautifully.

 

Will give it a go!

 

Hi guys! I have a unity box primitive with rigid body on it and shild shuriken particle. Cube is being launched by adding force to it`s rigid body. it behaves predictibly but child shuriken particle does not follow along with the cube. it falls off the launcher and goes straight down while box is flying away in intended direction. i googled the problem but no luck so far.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks!

 

@musolo You might want to make a new thread for this with included screenshots of the particle system settings and explain what you're trying to do. The particle system's Simulation Space might need to be set to Local depending on the effect you want.

 

In which section should i make this new thread? Didn`t find particles related category
Thanks!

 

What about emitting prefabs? In which version of Unity Shuriken have this option?

 

What's the suggested workflow for creating Shuriken effects alongside Animated objects (Animator)? I have no idea how I can preview both side-by-side in the editor. I tried timeline but Shuriken controls seem to be very poor (emit per distance doesn't work when Timeline is playing and effect is selected, whole effect is restarting if Control Track is longer than effect's Duration, Duration in general seems to be ignored (?), Timeline doesn't take Start Delay into account at times)?

Edit1: I tried using this package from official Unity examples but it overrides Duration of particle systems setting it to the length of the track clip.

This won't work for me as I am using Duration to define how long are my starting param curves (Start speed, start size, defines the duration of particle emission). Whenever Duration changes it messes all my effects.
https://github.com/keijiro/TimelineParticleControl

Edit2: I managed to get this working with some c# plumbing, although I have to say, I was hoping such a simple and fundamental feature would come with Timeline out of the box.

 

But "Visual Effect Graph" doesn't work with standard pipeline. It worked in some versions of unity(not officially), but now it turned off.

 

I've got a question on this one. My understanding is that VFX Graph will replace Shuriken although VFX Graph roadmap is only mentioning High End Mobile Devices support. What does it mean for the future of particles and mobile devices? Will I be able to use VFX Graph in the future on all mobile devices in the future? If so why is that not on the roadmap? Compute support on mobile is not something that will be widely available anytime soon.

Are you planning to bring full CPU simulation mode for the VFX Graph?

Cheers!

Also, this is the roadmap I was looking at https://portal.productboard.com/uni...ing-visual-effects/tabs/9-visual-effect-graph

 

Would it be possible to have Copy/Paste on individual submodules? It's a looooot of work copy/pasting individual settings one by one!


Also, context menu for gradient Color always opens on the left side of the window. It should open below the cursor. Here's a super duper image to illustrate:


I right-clicked where the black X is but context menu opens up 2000 miles away. Ain't fun!

 

Done and dusted. Case 1334328

 

I've been trying to find a way to get consistent, distance based UV mapping on particle trails within shuriken?
I've created my desired behavior in UE4 as an example.

Here I'm able to make the smoke texture linger and tile completely independent of the parent location and segment density, without any stretching, dragging, or needing to apply a scrolling animation to the effect to counteract movement.

None of Shuriken's trail texture modes behave like this. The closest one is Repeat Per Segment on the far right in the images below, but that has problems of it's own where the individual segments visibly squash as they despawn.

There's also no direct control over the texture tiling outside of setting the Minimum Vertex Distance, so that means you can't have a smooth trail with a long tiling texture on it, attempting to tile the material less than once per segment causes the whole thing to get dragged around by the endpoint

Would it be possible to add distance based UV mapping to Shuriken's particle trails? It'd be extremely helpful to have for any kind of continuous ribbon trail effect, like smoke trails.

 

I have exact same issues but one thing I will add here is that in theory you can set tiling in the material, in practice this results in dozens of materials sitting in the project as you almost never want to have the same tiling setting across different effects. It's like particle size. Imagine having to set particle size in the material.

 

I reported this bug and it got closed as won't fix saying it would break effects.
https://issuetracker.unity3d.com/is...t-to-cone-and-cones-angle-is-above-70-degrees

I get why it could break old effects but wouldn't a solution be to:

1. Fix the distribution so it's even at any emit angle
2. For all old effects convert them so that Radius Thickness is set to 0 for high Angles to mimic old uneven distribution
3. This would be done at update time when upgrading the project

It probably is more complex than I think it is but wanted to ask anyway.

Other alternative would be to have a new shape called something like Uniform Cone. It would have uniform particle spread at all emit angles. Right now there is not a single shape which has adjustable angle and even particle distribution Cone works fine at 0 to around 60* angle, hemisphere it only full 90*, sphere is full 180.

Actually now that I think about it, it's kind of weird that we have cone which goes from 0 to 90, then hemi which is 90 only and sphere which is 180. It should be possible to have a cone which goes from 0 to 180 and covers all those angles. It makes more sense from workflow point of view. Just thoughts!

 

Small suggestion here..

Could Limit Velocity over Lifetime's Drag option support negative values?



I'm making a directional explosion that also emits a number of smoke particles with a Start Size between 1 and 3. In this case it would make more sense to see bigger smoke particles at the top and smaller at the bottom. So by setting a negative 2 value the bigger smoke particles would be pushed further to look like a cone shape.

I know there are other ways to get a cone-shaped smoke effect (sub-emitters and Emission over Distance), but this seemed like a simpler way to do it at the time.

 

I just want to mention some of my most annoying and common problems with particles and asset publishing:

1. Effects with Soft Particles enabled in URP are just plain invisible in builds (but not in the editor), and I have to answer so many emails about this problem every week, even if I write about it in every possible documentation, forum thread and support websites. I don't believe the same problem happened in in the Built-in Render Pipeline.

2. Particle systems that use Mesh renderers (possibly with the 'Particles/Lit' shader) and have Enable Mesh GPU Instancing in mobile and WebGL builds will have invisible particles and instead emit strange, blank mesh particles in 0,0,0 in the scene. It took me some time to figure out why this was happening. Maybe there needs to be a warning or something here as this feature is on by default.

3. This is more of a feature request tbh. Something that would be really useful is a Roll feature in the Renderer when using Stretched Billboards. Right now it supports textures that go left to right, but in some cases you have spritesheets going bottom to top.

@richardkettlewell Lastly I'm just curious if you're any closer to finishing a Standard Particle shader for shuriken in HDRP?

 

1. I just searched and it looks like this problem, but for newer versions of URP. Usually happens when Depth Texture is not enabled in the Camera/SRP settings for the build. I'll see if I can make a new project and report it.

2. Will do

3. Yep! Combined with the Flip XYZ I believe you can then make it face any direction.

Alternatively, adding an extra "Face Camera" option for the Mesh Render Mode that uses the Velocity Render Alignment would let you make a sort of Stretched Billboards (if you just use a quad as the mesh), as you can set the 3D Start Rotation to anything.

If you keep building on this idea, having Speed Scale as an option for Meshes would be pretty sick.

 

How can I play a sound effect each time a particle dies or gets spawned at the location of its birth/death?

I am tracing current particle count to detect particle death/birth but in cases where particle count is stable (equal particles die and get spawned each frame) it's impossible to trace that and spawn SFX every time and I don't know how to get the location of a particle.

Ideally I'd love to subscribe to an event which is fired off whenever that happens or have access to some sort of a structure which gives me all the info I need for a singular particle system and/or a whole tree of particle systems making a singular VFX.

The reason I need location of spawned/killed particle is for a complex use case where particles are projectiles but there are more use cases I have which are much harder to explain.

 

Huh, I somehow missed this part of the API. I'll try and see where this gets me, looks promising tho! Thanks.

 

I have noticed that in the editor playback of particles is much choppier than in game, as if it had a much lower tick rate per second compared to game mode.

What I mean by that is there are some properties which are updated at a fixed time step in the editor (size over lifetime, all custom vertex data curves). I only noticed this when using a mesh particle. So say my PC renders 60FPS but particle size would only be updated at 25fps rate. Another example - I use Custom Data curve to offset texture coordinates and it also only gets updated once every few frames.
It becomes increasingly worse when I am using low Playback Speed or low Simulation Speed. Whenever I'm setting Playback Speed to something like 0.2 you can literally see that particles would get updated like once every second or even less often with lower values.

Again, this only happens in the editor and is really hard to work with. Everything is smooth as butter in the game.

 

Correct, this is what I am experiencing. I've sent you a PM with a link to a video showing the issue.
I have an itch it might only be the case with complex curves and when curves are simpler (auto interpolation on all keys) it seems to be mostly gone but I really didn't have much time to investigate this in detail

 

Timeline question again. Is there any way I can make Rate Per Distance work in the editor while playing / scrubbing through the timeline? I have a custom Particle System track&mixer and I am using ParticleSystem.Simulate function to play the effect and sync it with the time marker. This works flawlessly for any emission type but the Rate Per Distance.

Particle System is not emitting any particles at all. It seems to be working only if I attach a RigidBody to parent gameobject, set it to Kinematic with Interpolation turned on and have that game object selected. If gameObject with RB is not selected, particle system won't emit any particles. I also tried to change the velocity source from RigidBody to Transform but it doesn't work either.

 

Is there any way to use the same noise-pattern (seed?) between two particle systems? Could be useful for syncing the movement of systems.

 

Is there any way I can set Custom Data name fields from script? I have a lot of shaders which are using Custom Data for different things and it is really hard to memorize which shader does what. I wanted to make a tool which sets Custom Data fields to the correct type and names all the fields based on what the shader does. I can't find any public API for accessing those fields tho.

 

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/ParticleSystem.CustomDataModule.html

 

This is API for setting actual custom data. I only want to set name labels in the editor window. So if you look at my screenshot it has name labels: X, Y, Z, W. This can be renamed to whatever you want, but I want to be able to do it from code.

 

Ah! Yeah, that does appear to me missing from the exposed APIs.

The answer for "can you change them from script" is yes, but you'd have to set them via c# reflection. This is something I'm absolutely terrible at understanding so I can't really give you any concrete advice on how exactly to do this. However the property fields for those labels are

colorLabel0

,

colorLabel1

,

vectorLabel0_0

thru

vectorLabel0_3

, and

vectorLabel1_0

thru

vectorLabel1_3

. I think it'd be something like (totally not tested):

Code (csharp):

1. var customDataModule = particleSystem.customData;
2. customData.GetType().GetProperty("vectorLabel0_0").SetValue(customData, "Crunchiness");

 

Thanks for the help to both of you. I had an itch I could do it with reflections but last time I had to use it was when I was working with Unity 3.5.7. Time to roll up my sleeves and do it the old school way

 

In the manual I found information that I can use Loop and Ping Pong modes on curves and specify how many times it will loop/pingpong over a particle's lifetime. I know how to change curve extrapolation mode but I can't find any place where I can specify how many times curve will pingpong/loop over particle's lifetime. Where I can set this?

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/PartSysUsage.html

 

not a numerical field


here's pingpong on the end node; by remapping manually nodes inside the 0-1 bounds it will propagate the behavior.

you can enter data on the points themselves (value & position) so you can mathematically work out the repetition if you need precision

 

Ahaaaaaa! The bit about "specified number of times" got me all confused. As if there was a numerical field somewhere which defines how many loops there are. But this does make sense, thanks.

 

graphing curves navigation is unique (a little constrained) compared to timeline curves in other unity systems/modules. could it get a little polish pass?

These would be nice if they also could Zoom-out

• Shift + wheel
• Cntrl + wheel

• middle mouse pan works when zoomed in, but it would be nice to have some level of movement unconstrained.. maybe just a 20% buffer outside of the bounds
• I'm usually looking at graphs that have 50% unused negative range so panning would clearly help that

press F (frame)
wheel mouse (zoom out 2 ticks)
middle mouse pan a little
= perfect !

currently in order to throw a value over 100% like this Bezier at time 0.00


you have to remap the curve over 1.00 (1.80 shown below) and bring down the other node(s), the more nodes, the more extra work it is


im nervous every time my mouse goes to click the final node that are usually < 6 pixels to that ominous 'REMOVE!' button

 

What's the proper way to work with UI in the Overlay mode and Particle System? I can't figure it out and I couldn't find anything in the manual. I just can't make it to render and sort properly (or rather at all, it just renders behind).

Second question is: what's the correct workflow to get the Particle System to scale with different aspect ratios and resolutions? Is there a component I can use to handle these things? Does it scale the Shape only and/or particles themselves? Can I use anchors to somehow do this?


@Torbach78 I 100% agree with you. Sadly, I reported almost the same feedback a while back and got a reply that after internal discussions this won't be fixed.
One thing I would add to what you said is that there is no way of setting limits for allowed values in the Custom Data modules. I have to clamp all the data in the shader itself and the worst part is that the real value range is always hidden from the user. They don't know what's the allowed range without looking at the shader code.

 

Probably the wrong place to ask but this is very related to a set of old VFX engine tools.
Is there any way I can force a line renderer to use a HDR colour gradient? Seems odd to be able to have a HDR camera output in URP but no way to have a HDR line.

 

I hope the idea is interesting enough to make its way to the next unity release!

To be honest, I'd be great if the colour workflow was unified across the board. From a VFX artist point of view current VFX toolbox colour workflow is somewhat inconsistent. I can have HDR colours on particles in Shuriken only via custom data and custom shaders, build in shaders (shuriken) support HDR emissive but it's an additional texture read even when I don't want to have additional emissive texture (base colour picker should just be a HDR colour picker), Line and Trail renderer colour fields and API only take in LDR values.

Unity allows and heavily supports HDR PBR rendering (not to be confused with displaying on a HDR monitor!), pretty much every aspect of the rendering starting from lights, ending with lightmapping, GI and post processing is ready to take in HDR values and that's even in URP.