Official Now Available - Native Apple Silicon Editor Preview Builds

Hooray, I also wrote about this problem earlier)

 

That's great! Thanks for the update.

 

I am using Unity 2020 LTS for my project and wanted to get Macbook M1 Max 16 inch. Would regular (non scilicon version) Unity 2020 LTS editor work just fine on Macbook M1 Max 16 inch?

 

Using an m1 from last year, the editor is struggling a bit on 2D android game I work on. Like, going into play mode and compiling script is taking longer than on an heavier configuration windows machine.

It is doable, and even tho the 2 configurations are quite different (the windows one is like, 2080 ti something, S*** loads of ram and disk space, boosted ssd, ryzen 9 cpu, and so on), be aware that it is still clanky because well, the damn thing is running through Rosetta. That being said, it is running well for something ... well, running un-natively. Getting either the m1 pro / max version of this year MacBook isn't a bad move as more and more softwares will follow the "native app" path. The paint is still a bit fresh, but hey, look ahead : theses machines are stupidly powerful, go get one ffs

 

Wait, are you saying it takes shorter to compile on M1?

Also, are you using regular Unity? or the Apple Scilicon version? (because I am looking into using 2020 LTS on M1 Max)

 

Would 2021 LTS include proper support for Apple M1 series natively?

 

The opposite, in fact. It takes longer on the m1, using the emulated version of unity (2020, so not the native version of it).
But the performances are quite correct for it, considering it isn't running natively.

The 2021 will indeed include the m1 support, if I've understood correctly.

 

Considering 2021.2 betas support apple silicon right now, yes. It is safe to say 2021.2 LTS (once it's in LTS) will support Apple Silicon natively.

 

When would 2021.2 LTS be released with Apple Silicon native support?

 

The answer to that can only be estimated afaik. Unity engineers are working hard to get the 2021.2 release out of beta. We're not at official release yet. LTS will come after that. If you want it to happen quicker, consider hopping in on the beta and helping out by reporting bugs.

 

Yeah it feels a ways off still. I'd expect months before a production ready native build. It mostly works great but it feels like the usual last 10% that takes the longest. Although most issues I've encountered are not M1 specific but rather 2021.2 general beta issues, so who knows.

 

If I install windows on M1 Max and install Unity 2020 Lts, do you think it would perform as expected compare to i9 11900f like below estimation?
https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i9-11900f-vs-apple-m1-max

Also window performance for M1 : Parallels’ official numbers are impressive. They say M1 Macs use 250% less energy than a 2020 Intel MacBook Air, and get up to 60% better DirectX 11 performance than an Intel MacBook Pro. And running Windows on an M1 Mac? Thirty-percent faster than running it on a Core i9 Intel MacBook Pro. https://www.lifewire.com/your-m1-mac-can-run-windows-faster-than-a-pc-5179652

I really would like to take this advantage of powerful "mobile" hardware!

 

There aren't any real benchmarks out for M1 Max yet so that's not really anything to go on. M1 runs Unity faster than a new i7 in my own tests. M1 Max might not be much faster than M1 in single-core, but it will still do very well. The real benefit of M1 Max will be multi-core jobs and of course, graphics related work! I'm expecting some incredible light baking times.

[Update: CPU benchmarks have surfaced, showing no significant difference in single core performance https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=macbookpro18 but big gains in GPU performance https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3557857]

I haven't heard of Unity running at all on ARM Windows. Last I heard it was limited to 32 bit apps, not sure if that has changed. I have doubts re: MacOS running Parallels running Windows Arm running x86 virtualized Unity3D. You'll definitely be better off running it MacOS native.

It will be fun to see the real benchmarks and consumer/developer experiences surface online as people begin to receive their machines. I want to take the leap and buy one of these new pros but my M1 Air is faster than my gaming PC right now - not really any need to go faster yet.

 

Just installed b16. Fresh project, flickering still seems to be an issue in game mode and entire scene disappears randomly while working. I guess I'll stick to the Intel versions for now.

 

Ooooh. I like what I am hearing!

 

Thanks for sharing!
Even compared to 2015 macbook pro?
Would assume that even if it has fewer cores, with the cores being significantly faster it should be at least similar performance?

 

I was gonna give it to apple, but lmk if you want me to run any tests on the 2015 macbook.

 

How can i uninstall the beta version？

 

Go to "/Applications/Unity" and drag "Unity" and "Unity Bug Reporter" to the trash. This would leave the "Hub" folder if you have the Hub installed. If the folder is empty, you can just remove it.

 

Is the iOS Support package supposed to work with M1? UnitySetup-iOS-Support-for-Editor-2021.2.0b16.pkg

I get "The Installation failed. - the installer encountered an error that caused the installation to fail. Contact the software manufacturer for assistance." warning at the final step of the installer.

 

Hm! That's odd. I re-downloaded fresh and tried again with the same result. I wonder what's going on... Is there a log for this installer somewhere that I can pull more info out of?

Also found this post, of what seems like the same issue https://forum.unity.com/threads/uni...r-2018-4-20f1-fails-to-install-on-mac.861019/ but older version and essentially unsolved for cases like this where we can't use Hub.

 

Hello. Installed build 2021.2.0.b2 for apple silicon m1 (mac mini). I installed a module to build for android. But there is no OpenJDK in the android assembler and the android build module itself is not displayed in the hub. Is it possible to get OpenJDK for this build somewhere? Perhaps you can use OpenJDK - from other versions of Unity?

 

I'm glad we now have a version that works with apple ailicon, but I wonder if there will be a unityhub that native works with apple silicon. If so, how long before we see it?

 

I was able to install it - but to do so it required having System Preferences > Security & Privacy open to grant each package access before it would install. I'm guessing these beta packages are not signed?

 

has anyone managed to configure the build for android? currently, when exporting a project to android studio, I get an error that no ndk was found.
((openjdk - zulu-8.jdk, sdk - 31.0.3, gradle:7.0.3, ndk - from unity 2020.3.14.f1)

 

Bear with me! I´m confused, what would be the at least somewhat working version to download for Apple silicon at the moment? I just want to do quite basic stuff, I have point cloud files that I would like to do some recording with, no games. Now I have 2020.3.20f1 and it´s basically unusable. Thanks so much!

 

Latest 2021.2 beta. I believe you need to download the apple silicon version from the beta patch notes page.
You won't find it on the unity hub yet

 

@PutridEx thanks so much! Will give it a go!

 

Are there any plans on supporting building iOS apps for M1 mac as well?

Talking about this checkbox in Xcode on an iOS project.


Currently, enabling this causes linker errors as detailed here: https://forum.unity.com/threads/mac-catalyst.1183951/

 

Has anyone tested the non-beta Unitys (2019,2020) on new M1 Max yet? is it comparable to intel chips yet?

 

Since the core responsiveness of Unity is still mostly single threaded, and that M1 Max has the same single-thread performance as the normal M1, I doubt it's any faster. Perhaps apple's rosetta layer gets a speedup, but at the end of the day, intel-Unity needs to compile twice every time you change a script.

But building the player and compiling shaders will be faster due to the multiple cores, and baking lighting should be extremely much faster. The viewport should also be significantly faster due to the improved GPUs.

But I am pretty sure changing scripts -> entering play mode will still be slow, since the machine needs to compile it 2x.

I'll be happy to post some times when I get mine tomorrow, and compare it to the previous highest-end i9 16". So excited!

 

I would post this question over in the Hub forum. The good news is that Hub perf is pretty good under Rosetta. And since we require Rosetta anyway for the Editor, it hasn't been the top priority. But posting there will get you more relevant responses from the Hub team.

 

Nice decision by Unity people

 

They later said that it will be backported to 2020 but not 2019

 

Thanks. A few issues with the new hub...

• It lists my Apple Silicon editors as "Intel" for 2021.2.b12 and 2021.2b16 though I know they are Apple Silicon
  
• When I click the gear next to the editor version, my only options are Reveal In Finder and Remove from Hub.
• I can't install 2021.2 b16, or any patches in the 2021.2.x release through the Hub. Only 2021.2.0f and 2022.1.0a12 are available.

 

Regarding that first point - I had that issue with the versions that I installed outside of the Hub. Once I removed them and reinstalled using the Hub the Apple Silicon tag appeared correctly. It just doesn't seem to detect correctly if you install outside of the Hub.

 

Oh

 

Hi, I've just downloaded Unity hub 3 and installed Unity 2021.2.0f1 apple silicon version, and it crashed when I try to open my project, it crashes when trying to import .mov file.

 

Thanks, uninstalling and reinstalling with Hub fixed it. Also, disregard what I said about 2021.2.b16 not showing up; I noticed that 2021.2.0f1 got released and is technically newer! iOS module installed just fine through Hub and I'm able to make builds.

 

The Silicon version of 2021.2.0f1 crashes on my M1 in a completely new project when opening a folder in the project view.

Spoiler: Native Crash Reporting

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Native Crash Reporting
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Got a segv while executing native code. This usually indicates
a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries
used by your application.
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Native stacktrace:
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0x161907d8c - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/Frameworks/MonoBleedingEdge/MonoEmbedRuntime/osx/libmonobdwgc-2.0.dylib : mono_dump_native_crash_info
0x1618ca368 - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/Frameworks/MonoBleedingEdge/MonoEmbedRuntime/osx/libmonobdwgc-2.0.dylib : mono_handle_native_crash
0x161852be4 - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/Frameworks/MonoBleedingEdge/MonoEmbedRuntime/osx/libmonobdwgc-2.0.dylib : mono_sigsegv_signal_handler_debug
0x196cc2c44 - /usr/lib/system/libsystem_platform.dylib : _sigtramp
0x104efcefc - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/MacOS/Unity : _ZN18TcpProtobufSession10BeginBatchEv
0x104de4eb0 - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/MacOS/Unity : _ZN16RemoteAssetCache21DownloadMetadataAsyncERK13dynamic_arrayI30ArtifactStaticDependenciesHashLm0EEN4core8functionIFvRS0_IS0_IhLm0EELm0EEEEE
0x104de7770 - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/MacOS/Unity : _ZN16RemoteAssetCache19UploadMetadataAsyncERK30ArtifactStaticDependenciesHashRK13dynamic_arrayIhLm0EES6_S6_N4core8functionIFvbEEE
0x104df42ac - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/MacOS/Unity : _ZN4core16mutable_functionIFvvEE9DispatchTIZN9IOService10PostHelperIZN16RemoteAssetCache29AddArtifactToCacheServerAsyncERK11ArtifactKeyRKN13AssetDatabase10ArtifactIDENS_8functionIFvbEEEE4$_19EEvOT_NS4_25WrapCallableInFunctionTagEEUlvE_E8DispatchEv
0x104f2aa68 - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/MacOS/Unity : _ZN4asio6detail18completion_handlerIN4core16mutable_functionIFvvEEEE11do_completeEPNS0_15task_io_serviceEPNS0_25task_io_service_operationERKNSt3__110error_codeEm
0x104f27ea4 - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/MacOS/Unity : _ZN4asio6detail15task_io_service10do_run_oneERNS0_11scoped_lockINS0_11posix_mutexEEERNS0_27task_io_service_thread_infoERKNSt3__110error_codeE
0x104f27a20 - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/MacOS/Unity : _ZN4asio6detail15task_io_service3runERNSt3__110error_codeE
0x104f23728 - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/MacOS/Unity : _ZN9IOService3RunEb
0x104f22c70 - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/MacOS/Unity : _ZN9IOService4Impl14ThreadFunctionEPv
0x103a08c6c - /Applications/Unity/Hub/Editor/2021.2.0f1/Unity.app/Contents/MacOS/Unity : _ZN6Thread16RunThreadWrapperEPv
0x196c77878 - /usr/lib/system/libsystem_pthread.dylib : _pthread_start
0x196c725e0 - /usr/lib/system/libsystem_pthread.dylib : thread_start

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Telemetry Dumper:
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Thread 0x17f8b7000 may have been prematurely finalized* Assertion at mono-threads.c:702, condition `info' not met, function:mono_thread_info_current,
Failed to upload artifact(artifact id=5ea9e2082b4475d0a18d090784697f8e, static dependencies=a05e5dd52203b2c9ce3b191d7c0f71ba, content hash=2178a8a0fa8308fcfa83c6c3cf779a0c) to cacheserver
AcceleratorClientConnectionCallback - disconnected - :0

 

The porting work for the Unity Editor to Apple silicon was an extensive enough effort that we do not expect to be backporting the work to the 2020 LTS. It would take resources away from our stabilization efforts for the current release that we'd rather put to making the current supported version (2021.2) more stable and reliable.