MERGED - all splash screen discussion

To make you pay to get rid of it?

 

We haven't heard an official answer from Unity at all. I really hope that wasn't their intent.

 

As a Pro user, I totally agree the splash screen for free should be changed. But not to Indie, but to "Sponsored by Paying Pro customers that get no feature but to remove this useless ship".

 

Finally we get to the root of the issue!! We've made a breakthrough! See you next Wednesday.

 

Hahaha! Although for me, "Sponsored by Paying Pro customers that get no feature but to remove this useless ship" is a close second to:

"Made by an Amateur on his Mum's Computer at home in his parents house" @yoonitee

 

Wow...just wow.

I can't wait for those Pro Only filters.

Please, talk to each other. I hope the Unity people realize what is happening in this wonderful community.

And please, don't be so ignorant. Do you really think that all your PRO licenses are paying for ours? No...most of us were not paying anyway. AND Unity would never had offered those to us if they couldn't pay for it in other ways. My guess is it is the real game developers who are out there in their studios making games, making lots of money for Unity. They have enough confidence in their abilities that they have no need to try to step all over other people, bringing them down.

You guys are just bullies and all your care about is sullying other people's joy.

Thank goodness the Unity guys do not agree with you. They have made a huge effort to make all of us part of their community.

Go stuff a sock in it.

Hippo, time to close these threads. They are getting ugly.

 

Are you referring to Saxi's post? I took it as a complete joke... I'm sure tons of Unity Free users have spend a lot of money in the Asset Store, for example.

@Saxi care to chime in?

 

Well, if it is a joke, I apologize. I was turning off my computer and going to bed, and saw this. Stupid of me to read it.

If it was not a joke, you should be ashamed of yourself. Didn't your mother ever tell you that pride comes before the fall? Don't get so cocky.

PS Also, very frustrated with Unity 5 and RTP.....

 

Your first point is already questionable.
"X is an issue" sounds like a fact. It might be an issue for you and others. But for a lot people it might be not an issue. Like Hippocoder said 2000, or even 3000 votes and this vocal thread here don't represent the whole Unity community. It's always the same 10 people here who like each other posts. But if you dare to raise another opinion, you're suddenly the privileged jerk. Nice.

You can't accept another opinion, don't you?! It's all wrong when people disagree with you.

 

That was not an opinion or anything. Nothing in it but ugliness and an insult...no reason for it at all..unless it was a joke. (not referring to your posts)

Nipo, I completely respect your opinion..never even said a word to you about it. You are fine. And I don't agree with everything R.Lindsay said at all. Opinions are fine...insults thrown at people for no reason other than raise hackles is childish and silly. You did not do that....

The quote you used has nothing to do with opinions. It has to do with behaviors and actions, which I might have misinterpreted. Nothing wrong with calling someone out for a behavior that is harmful to the community. The below is not for you.

Some folks seem to confuse opinions with insults and put-downs and creating divisions that no longer exist. Fortunately, most folks here are mature as noted by the amazing discussions from all sides the past two days that never degenerated until after Unity folks came in here and treated us seriously. I guess that pushed a few...not many, but a very few buttons.

 

Eh? It's a dark cyan, #222c37. See the dark shape in the upper-left of this page with the logo on it?



That's the branding color they've been using for a while now (cyan); the splash screen is the exact same color, and you can see that the contrast is very high where nobody could have any problems reading it. (Personally I never really warmed up to the cyan/magenta stuff they're doing, but on the other hand it's not the worst I've seen either.)

--Eric

 

And yet you were the one who called us whiny ungrateful bitchers for having an opinion different than yours. You are the one who continually insists we are wrong for holding that position. You are the one insisting that we are the ones "making a big deal out of it" when I just updated my WIP thread with new Unity 5 features. How big of a deal am I making about the splash screen compared to what you are making out of my opinion of it? Hey pot, meet kettle.

 

Wow, this issue has already reached the #5 spot (out of 6080 active requests) of the feedback requests in just 2 days... I'm dying to hear what Unity's official response will be.

 

If it's an issue for people, then it's also a fact that it's an issue for people... Nobody ever said it was an issue for everyone.

 

I'm not sure this thread will make it until they respond, since it has become what it has become. But I guess we'll hear the response in the feedback section.

 

Yeah, I'm really surprised about this myself.

Is this then an argument to against Unity Feedback? How high does an issue have to be to be considered enough of the userbase? It's 'only' 1800 votes behind second place...

Guys, relax. Unity are assessing it. Some people care. Others don't. It's OK, we can still be friends. Let's hug it out.

 

I didn't even talk to you. You started to talk to me. Not the other way around

 

I can agree to that
If a lot people get bothered by that and Unity changes it, fine.

And now I'm out of that thread.

 

Yes, I've seen it for a while now. I didn't mean to imply it was hard to read, just that it looked a bit poor as a full-screen colour due to looking like washed-out black (even if a colour picker says it's a very dark cyan). That it's not the only colours they ever use either - the desktop Icon is inverted and black and white, for example.

You'd probably have to actually use it on iOS with a black-background launch image / splash image and a black background UI to see what I mean. No big deal either way to me - it's not my branding.

 

You didn't talk to me, but you did talk about my opinion. And you did talk to Tiela, who was grateful enough to Unity to start a thread thanking them. You are clearly making a bigger deal about our opinion than we are about the change.

 

Man, all I did was stating my very personal opinion in this thread. I know it was not the nicest wording and I already apologized for that if it offended someone. The rest just got out of hand. I don't make a big deal out of someones opinion at all. I just have a different one than you.

 

+1 for:

Powered by Unity
Made with Unity

Or just allow us to use the old splash screen

 

No, we want the new animated one, but without the subtext that's the whole point!

 

I stoped reading at page 2... To much bs for me ... Guys its a splashscreen. Wtf is wrong with you. No gamer will ever care about it! They could make it ugly as hell and i wouldnt care. The things happening after this screen are the ones that matter.

 

Sigh. Yet another arbiter of feelings.

Everyone on this thread actually quite likes the splash screen. Maybe you should read and inform yourself before commenting.


P.S. If you do indeed know that the issue is not with the splashscreen and instead with the phrase "Personal Edition" underneath, can I ask you a serious question?

If Unity decided to do a 30 second Photoshop job and change the splashscreen to not to include the phrase "Personal Edition", would that hurt you in any way? If so, can you clearly delineate how so? I'm being very serious.

 

Thank you for taking the time to do a thorough focus study on what gamers care about.
Thank you again for stopping by and sharing your findings.

Slight fly in the ointment... Unity is not solely utilized for the purposes of making games.

I fear I cannot hand off a project to my client what is emblazoned with the "Personal Edition" designation.
Not without some uncomfortable explanations on my behalf, that is...

Also, I should loathe for those uncomfortable explanations to be pass down the pipeline and my client is the one left squirming in front of his viewing audience.

Yeah... That would just suck.

Thanks alot though !

 

So much to catch up on between sleeping. Some of these comments seem to be heading in a dangerous direction, let's just be careful and considerate to others as well as not going over the same thing like a merry-go round.

As Andy said, we listen and understand many concerns from all types of users who've being using Unity and big parts of the community for quite some time. Issues like this do get shared with the rest of the company (that's our job as community facing staff) and it's up to other departments to make the decisions. As I suggested when we had our announcement, handle this democratically and come together, which you have and voted .

Remember this only happened 3 days ago, there's still plenty of time to assess the situation and react accordingly, everyone is still at GDC running around, it'd be very hard to get an official "higher-up" response and change in that timeframe.

 

How I personally judge it has nothing to do with the argument. Rather the important thing is how my potential customers judge the splash screen. I have known plenty of people who would judge a game by the splash screen. Quite a number of them have gone so far as to say "Oh, it was made with Unity. It must be bad."

 

Powered by Unity

Startup​

 

I think "powered by unity startup" is a good phrase.
because that's exactly what its license is all about, and its does not sounding like "unserious developer" more like try the newest ideas, and help us to Succeed

 

Thank you!

To all the other ones, when such a topic is posted and you are not affected by it, why wasting your time belittle our concerns? If you're not affected by it, you automatically don't undersand this. This thread would have been less confusing if only people that understand it would have made their points clear. I think we made it clear enough that the problem is not the splash screen itself, indeed we love Unity so much, that most of us advertise it anyway whenever possible and we're proud to use it and say we made this and that with Unity. The only problem is this "personal edition", which implies to al lot of people that it's for private use only ( Because that's what often "personal editions" are limited to. Don't forget that a lot of people are not native english speakers and already have their problems to understand the moste essential things too.) If you still can't understand it, that's fine too, but don't continue to make this thread a joke. Because the original posters of the topics that got merged don't intended this.
Now we have been listenend and now we can move on using this great piece of software. For the splash screen let's just wait and see what happens, due Andy's and Josh's answers we know that we are not igored. I just say thank you and now jump on using finally the long awaited Unity 5

 

Yes. In case I got too caught up in the drama to say it before, thanks to @Andy Touch and @Josh Naylor for taking the time to communicate with us. Hopefully everyone else at UT realizes that this isn't in any way, shape, or form, about being ungrateful.

 

I guess what strikes me is the "gatekeepers" who want to defend (whatever they think they are defending, but can't be bothered to put into words) have such a narrow idea of how people use Unity.

"What gamers are going to care...?"
That doesn't concern me since I don't make "games" and there are large sections of Unity's website advertorializing on how they are "not just about games" but also archi-pre-vis and other PROFESSIONAL presentation uses... If you don't know that already then me saying it is not going to open your mind from your little closed box. Stay in your mom's basement and work on the next "Flappy Pig" so you can win the imaginary game lottery. Booyah for you. Sure, I'll be condescending about it, but I'm not going to try to interfere when you say you need more "flappy" controllers. I'm not going to insist you are "ungrateful whiney bitch" over it. I'll shrug and move on, but I won't try to STOP you. See the difference?

Ironically it the ones who are playing "gatekeepers" (see: Aesop - Dog in the Manger) who are trying to keep Unity's use to a narrow little world which seems to be increasingly unprofitable in a saturated market. Unity is the program that is MORE than just MMO remember? the only program that builds for OSX, Windows, Android, iOS, and web... blah blah blah. Am I the only one who read the marketing materials before buying?

If YOU benefit by Unity being free and YOU only make flappy MMO games for your bros who can't read fineprint then good for you, but that's not what the company promotes on its website and that's not what I bought. Spare us the sermon and just mail me your 2¢ so I don't need to get a refund for the PROFESSIONAL program that I paid for... I didn't want to be BUYing into some freebie flappyMMO gamer death-threats live-in-my-mom's-basement and spout gatekeeper sermons about things that don't concern me community....

I'm here for the sandwiches.

 

But this thread has opened my naive eyes to what putting a game engine logo might imply about me, so I am back to paying $3000 to remove the company's logo, and the "free gamer" stigma.

 

I think these two options are the best ones:

• Powered by Unity
• Made with Unity

They imply that the gama was created using unity. Nothing else needed to say, than the quality of your game.

 

Um no. This aquienscence/attempted apology reads to me, like this:

"Hey, you're fat!"
"That was uncool"
"You're right. I'm sorry that you're fat."

And about the Porsche analogy. Color of the seats might equate to the dark skin. What we're talking about equates more to being given a Porsche that has "freeloader" or "amateur" spray painted on the side..

 

I'm gonna break this down:

I cannot provide a PROFESSIONAL product to a PROFESSIONAL client, to be shown to a PROFESSIONAL audience with the words PERSONAL EDITION written on it.

It is not an option. That client will become an ex-client. Count on it.

And if you still don't understand... Get back to me when you start working for a living.

 

Yup.

 

But if you work for a living, ain't worth to pay those who allow you that, for the tools you use?

 

And here we go again. Any time *anyone* starts a comment with "I stopped reading after...".. how serious are we to take your comment when you haven't even done us the courtesy of reading the thread?

There are some very intelligent and well thought out *respectful* comments that explain *exactly* why some of us are asking for a change.

The whole "wtf is the matter with us.." nonsense is explained in this thread. Read it. or don't. But don't come in here guns blazing without doing your diligence.

It looks foolish to be honest. (Note: I am not calling *you* foolish, just what the action itself implies)

 

And exactly how much of my business finances do you think you're entitled to know?

 

@Teila one must wonder how UT does make money. Their license isn't that expensive and there's no royalties. How the heck do they make money? Bulk purchases of pro licenses can't possibly be sufficient D:

I want them to take more money! Royalties, pls!

 

If you are "professional" and make products for other companies, and the wondt professional produkte, simply charts and pay $75/month. It is that EASY !!!!

 

Hey everyone!

Quick update, ive opened up an internal discussion about this and there should hopefully be some more eyeballs on this thread and more focus on the topic in general.

 

None of course.

But, if you live solely with a tool they give you for free, you have to play with their rules. If the splash screen never changes, and you think that alone indicate that your product is bad or inferior in any way, you have two choices. Pay or use another tool.

Just stating the facts.

 

Not necessarily in that order though, right?

 

First, huh?

Second, what is the reasoning behind your comment? To explain something to us that we didn't already know was an option?

I find this comment in the vein of "man I'm so frustrated with this game. X feature really pissed me off"

"Then uninstall and play something else"

Really? That's the only suggestion you could come up with?

 

Let's look at this a different way. If you have a freemium game out and someone really likes the game, but has a minor problem with it that would be easy to fix and not cost you any money, do you want them to tell you about it so you can retain that customer and anyone else who may share their feelings or do you want them to just delete your game and move to the competition? It's a bold leap to say that only 100% positive customer feedback is allowed and then question the professionalism of anyone who doesn't want a word that means "not professional" on their game. Businesses thrive on constructive criticism. Without it, they are nothing. I think what everyone has posted here has been constructive. We haven't said, "I want this just because I want it," we've given reasons. It's up to UT to decide whether those reasons are valid. But to say that those reasons should never even be voiced would mean the death of UT. Over time, the number of minor things that could be fixed but instead lead to an exodus from the software would kill any company.

 

I don't

Nobody in this thread has stated "These words make my game bad!"

Hey... Thanks for giving me those two choices... Those choices being yours to give and all...
But I think I'll exercise my 3rd choice and raise an issue with the thoughtful staff at Unity and see what they have to say about the legitimate concerns of a number of their developers.

 

Just black out all comments that are a joke, sarcasm, etc. So basically the first page would be enough