Love Sounds

It might take me a little while. It's hard to operate the recoding equipment with this lube all over everything.

I think I'm going to upgrade my motion capture setup from 1 Kinect to 4 Playstation eye cameras. The Kinect can't seem to track the felt on the hand puppet very well.

 

Oh, I thought a mod did it and that would give you your answer. Love sounds totally different than sex!

 

The difference is that you can tone down violence but you can't tone down sex. Is shooting other people too hardcore for children? You can change the people to aliens, the guns to lasers or even change the guns to nerf guns and leave in the people. The latest call of duty has an option to turn blood & bullet decals into paintball splatters! None of these change gameplay.

Sex however is detailed and graphic at any level and most likely be more than some kids may be able to handle. I was exposed to it on tv (a non-interactive media) too young and now I'm 22 (soon to be 23) and still find it icky and undesirable.

Sex and violence just hit people differently. Seems just about anyone can handle violence (even if reduced to nerf guns), but I'm positive all of you can name a young relative or remember at some point thinking sex stuff was 'icky'.

 

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with your comment and you are absolutely right.

However, it makes me sad that "anyone can handle violence". There was a day, (dating myself) when gratuitous violence was icky, when blood and gore was used in movies to make your tummy turn and create shock and awe. But you are right, today, it is nothing. I, however, happen to one of those people who can't handle blood and gore. It has a very bad physical effect on me, whether in movies or in real life. The kids have to go their dad when they are bleeding.

Snakes have the same effect on me. Ewww.

Oh, and sex won't be icky for kids for long since so many TV shows on cable these days seem to all but do it on camera. I am actually okay with this, except maybe for very small children who might go to school and tell their classmates and teacher, resulting in a visit from children services.

 

I know what you mean. I'm not too fond of guns or real world violence either, but that's why I love virtual violence. I've done a few [college] papers already on how virtual violence reduces real world violence because it's more than just an outlet, it's more exciting! Eventually, when you've learned a lot about physics, you learn how boring life is. Then I turned to programming and virtual worlds and turned physics on its head.

There's more options for violence in virtual reality. You can wield the force, you can bend the elements, you can be an 8 armed terminator with machine gun hands, etc. The possibilities are endless! You could even be fighting the stupid aliens from Signs who are weak to water but came to a planet that is mostly water. What would constitute violence there? A water pistol, a pool party ... rainy weather... haha And doing all of those things can be amusing for things that aren't violence, even if they can be used for such. The best example is element bending from the avatar series. It can be without a doubt used to produce the most violent game / show ever, but it has utility beyond that. With VR and motion controls (kinect, hydra, wii, whatever), element bending would be fun in any scenario.

But... sex is always just sex. Substitute the humans out for aliens, and then what? It's still clearly recognizable as just sex. It's not changed mechanically in any way. It's inappropriate most of the time because it can't be made into something else. It just is what it is lol. The best you could do is make a game of someone eating a favorite desert. The transformation there is "receiving pleasure" in another form, but I doubt anyone wanting to bring sex into their game has that on their mind.

 

Unfortunately, I have the same physical reaction to on screen blood and gore as I do to real blood and gore, so I can't really escape into violent fantasies, which honestly I don't miss. The research regarding violence in movies and in games goes both ways and like anything, probably simply means that every human being is different and responds to stimuli based on many variables, therefore it is difficult to come to any conclusion. That is why I prefer natural science to social science.

Game ratings restrict more than just the actually act of physical sex. Even a suggestion of sex can cause your ratings to go up. Full nudity, which really doesn't always have to do with sex will give you a M rating for sure. And why? Because it in our culture, at least, it is associated with sex.

I want a brothel in my game. I don't need to show anything but still, just having some prostitutes hanging out in a grimy alley whistling to the passing citizens would probably get us some negative attention. What medieval city didn't have prostitutes? Hey, they even regulated them and made them pay taxes!

But it takes some pretty explicit violence to get an M rating. Makes no sense to me.

 

Yes there is. In recent games they use the black censored box as to not show anything lol. So, not actual sex.......I guess. That series has always been about him getting laid mostly lol.

 

Not sure where you're going with this. You have softcore porn vs hardcore porn. You have R/M rated content vs NC-17/AO content. It's not such a black and white thing.

 

Hot mosaic action.

 

For anyone waiting for Unity's answer, hanging on with bated breath, unable to read any other thread for fear of missing the outcome, here, for your reading pleasure, is the result:

My question to them:

Since you accept and showcase violent assets in the store, sometimes extremely violent, would you accept sexual ones, even if done tastefully?

Unity's official reply:

"Unfortunately as we cannot filter out under aged users and cannot control age restriction for certain asset's [sic] we cannot accept any inappropriate noises/animations."

 

OK so lets remove all the horror and violence, right now. Thanks.

 

Not softcore vs hardcore... actual sex. If you have sex in a game, whether you're showing it or not, there is sex going on. Nothing changes mechanically - especially in a game. There isn't a range of sex, kissing and cuddling isn't sexual content.

Sex in games, or any romance, is typically a cutscene. You just watch things happen. I think an older assassin's creed game had an interactive quicktime event-like setup for a romance scene that could become a sex scene, but that's the most I've seen done mechanically for sex in a game.

As for being black and white... what are the gradients, then? Nudity vs penetration? lol

You'll have to non-violently put me down if you intend to rid this world of digital violence.

 

Double standards!

Unity would be able to easily solve this with age verification - disclaimer popup should do it, like any site or resource having content sensitive to minors. This is the correct course of action since dismembered limbs, gore, guns and zombies also would require an age verification popup for people to agree to.

So, how about it Unity? It's not that I want to see sexual content, it's the fact it sticks in my throat that it's fine to sell guns to kids but not moaning.mp3

So either remove both or add a layer of verification.

 

I agree!

Plus not to mention, it's not that I want to see sexual content in a game, but it wouldn't bother me either.
If you asked me, you'll get more grown adults playing the game just so they can see some *stuff* lol.
We know how grown men are, we don't turn our heads if the option to see it is there LOL hahaha.

 

I'm still trying to figure out how ony is going to get the love sounds... Personally record themselves or record while others are ahhh involved...
I know in the past every time I brought up ah recording the look I got would kill the issue and I would be on the couch..
Sorry dirty old man...

 

Go watch a p**n and record the sounds LOL... AHHHHHHHHHHH OH YES AHHHHH lmao hahahahaahahahahaah.

 

I will. I prefer that sex not cameo in games & horror movies just to get other people in to see it.

 

Can't copy right laws

 

Two words: camera angles.

 

I always laugh a little bit when sex comes up for games, etc. In general, people tend to have some sort of disclaimer attached to their public stance on it: "I don't personally want to see sex, but I don't mind it in there" or "I think sex in games is cringey, but if someone else wants it I don't mind that", etc. It's just funny to me.

Annnnyway...

I love sex. It's awesome. I also love violent horror movies (French horror most of all), and the occasional violent video game. I love all sorts of things that make us human. I don't want to see an end to violence in games (although I would like to see it end in reality (yeah right that's going to happen)). As a side note I do think parents should take a more active role in what their children are doing and watching. If you're not a parent,

I'm not pitting sex against violence. They are two parts of a whole range of ingredients that make us who we are. They are both part of our nature. They're natural.

In our Western society, the thing that brings us into the world is inappropriately bad, and the thing that takes us out of it is appropriately good. I just find that incredibly strange. And sad.

 

If it wasn't for sex none of us would be here!
You are right though. It got tagged with a taboo thanks to our forefathers. But if you look further into history it was accepted.
Times have changed.

 

Exactly.

liar! I was born of the stars!

 

Ah the Virgin birth...

 

@BrainMelter

To elaborate....

Camera angles are important, but it doesn't change what the user perceives happening. For all we know in a "soft" sex scene in a game, the male and female models don't even have genitals! Whether you show it or not, we know what's happening in the game world.

@Archania

Hue.

 

How the p**n people gonna know you got a moaning or screaming noise from them? It all sounds the same LOL hahahaa.

 

Do they all sound the same? Then if p**n is art, I feel bad for those "artists" trying to distinguish their "art" from everyone else's "art". The extent of my knowledge of this is that a college student partook in this "art" to pay for college, but it ended up costing her more because the college considered that source of income a job and thus dropped her tuition grants & other financial help. If real art is suffering, I think this girl is doing it right

 

Exactly. I don't want my kids ashamed or embarrassed by sex. I want them instead to embrace it responsibly and akin to their OWN moral code. It's really a lovely thing that you can share with the person you love and should be seen as such. Not as something to be compared as worse then violence.

I DO however want my kids ashamed AND embarrassed by acts of violence.

 

I agree with our society being too prudish overall, so I don't want to argue too much in the opposite direction. After all, my parents bought me my first Playboy as soon as I was old enough to want to see one. And I turned out to be much less of a sexual deviant than most. Not that there's anything wrong with sexual deviance, mind you. I just feel like shielding kids so much from something they are so naturally curious about has a more negative effect than positive one. Of course, my parents bought me Playboy, not Debbie Does Dallas.

But I think the sex vs violence issue is that sex is something that the average person does. Violence isn't. So one is more easily contained in the realm of fiction than the other. If I played Hatred, it wouldn't make me want to go out and kill innocent people. If I played a Rugby game, or some other sport I'm not familiar with, it may make me want to go try the sport. So when it comes to children's exposure to sex, I think there's a line between satisfying curiosity and actively creating desire. Of course, conservatives will draw that line much closer than I would. I'd think the lower teen pregnancy rates in countries less uptight about nudity would reinforce my view, although correlation is not causality.

Of course, that is all about children, and we are presumably talking about adults. Unity and Steam have to "think of the children" however because there are actual laws on the books limiting what amount of sexual content children can be exposed to. It isn't a double standard on the part of a vendor that doesn't want to build up an age verification system to want to comply with laws simply to tap into a niche market.

Adults on the other hand, once again, can play a violent video game without falling victim to real life blood lust. Of course, any well adjusted adult can also watch a sex scene without feeling lust as well, but I think any of us playing a hardcore porn game were sex is a core mechanic are going to react in a perfectly natural way. Either that or not play the game, because such a game wouldn't be enjoyable to most without the arousal. Again, because society in general thinks of sex as something personal, and conservatives in particular think of sex as something taboo, there's a difference between something than is purely fictional versus something that creates actual desire. Since most conservatives (and most people) think it is their duty to enforce their particular moral code on society, the game that creates the actual desire to carry it out is going to be judged more strongly than the one that isn't. I'm not sure it fits the definition of a double standard because the two situations are different. One creates desire, the other doesn't.

Again, that only describes the relationship between hardcore violence and hardcore porn in the minds of the populace. It doesn't really explain our complete aversion to all nudity or sexual situations. Which I'll make no attempt to do.

 

That's an interesting thought.

 

In certain circles it is

 

Really? There are many levels of intimate interaction between people, and there are many different manners in which either things can be portrayed at different levels. To use film as an example, both sex and violence are featured in films running the gamut from PG to R.

In the same way that you don't need to show hardcore torture for a film to contain violence, you also don't need hardcore pornography for a film to contain sex. In the same way that plenty of horror movies use techniques where violence occurs off screen, intimate relationships between people can also be portrayed without showing explicit details of physical acts. And in both cases there's a wide scope of how gratuitous a film can be when it does opt to show details.

 

Sure you can tone down sex. Look at The Vampire Diaries (picked the most recent example in my head lol) or other shows like that. They basically show the intro to sex with everyone in underwear as the highest nudity level, and only the torso if I remember correctly.

 

Yes a way movies have done is take the violence off screen and only let you hear what is happening. Your brain will have no problems coming up with probably worse then what the director had in the script for the violence.

 

The answer by the Asset Store team doesn't make sense to me. Depending on the local legal situation, accessing violent content would require an age-check, too.

The problem is in the phrasing of your OP. The way you built it up it reads like you are criticizing the Unity Asset Store team for promoting a violence-themed asset, using a hypothetical, made-up erotica-themed asset as a rhetorical mean.

Since the Asset Store needs to improve in the sound department (imho) I wouldn't mind if Sony Playstation gave the Sony Pictures division a nod and make them release the Sony Pictures Sound Effect Series on the Asset Store.

 

But that difference is quite important. Hell, even Disney movies imply it to some degree, where the adults can sufficiently fill in the gaps with their imaginations.

 

Disney is not subtle when they sneak sex into their movies haha, but I know what you're referring to. I guess these things just have different scales and ratings.

Ohhh that kind of tone down. So in this manner, toning down the violence would be like having a silhouette or having a guy about to stab someone and then cutting to the blood spray on a wall nearby. I hadn't considered this. I was thinking purely mechanics, not aesthetics. When I say you can tone down violence, I'm saying mechanically you can replace blood with paint and bullets with foam and people with aliens, etc etc. With sex, you can't really change anything mechanically.

Who gives a damn about aesthetics? We're making games, not movies. We play games, not graphics! Go work for TellTale, you casuals

 

Ofc you can't change it mechanically. But the ratings and restrictions we're talking about care about aesthetics, not mechanics.

 

Oh context, where art thou? Half of my posts on this forum are tragedies, because of contexts!

The people who base ratings on aesthetics are nubs. Would these people really give a visually violent pillow fight (with huge blood sprays from pillow hits) a worse rating than a text based game that says:

"Press A to kill all the jews"
-user presses A
"The jews are all dead"

?

 

I don't see how you can compare the two things? I don't like when people do that... compare things that have similar situations yet different "connotations".

Like some people would say "If your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?"
No, I wouldn't because that's stupid and no one would do that. How would you compare that to the MY situation when your situation is much more severe and a completely different topic? You guys understand what I'm saying or am I just crazy?

 

I think this thread has gone a bit too far.

That said -

 

Not arguing whether they're nubs or not, just saying that's how most ratings work. As for your example, if you replace Jews with something else, non religious or racist, then yeah the text game would be 13+, and pillow fight M for mature. I say replace Jews because when you bring in stuff like religion (in a hateful way), you tend to set off more alarms and possibly increase the ratings.

 

Wow I'm gone to the armory for an entire day and this entire thread has changed to a different course LOL.

Love Sounds > to killing Jews > to paying respect to a fallen Marine..

 

It happens.
Its that time before a thread gets locked, unless it gets back on track. But Ony got her answer, so we cool.

 

It's a shame that it's that easy. I can already see 3 references to it in this forum alone, haha. So bloody pillow fight gets a lower rating than 3 lines of text because of their content. I never thought I'd have my faith in humanity lessened on a unity forum.

We're discussing how things get rated, this is 100% on topic

 

I don't think racial hatred is even allowed on the stores, let alone rated. It's definitely not allowed on the app stores. It's probably not allowed on Steam either. I haven't seen such a game there anyway.

 

It gets a triple X unrated rating just because it has a particular wording. My my, it's a wonder that the people in this world come out with their spines intact each time the wind blows, haha!

Hatred and racial hatred are fine as long as they aren't relatable. Does anyone care about what happens to that race of aliens the protagonist just made extinct that may have been acting in self defense and or there was a peaceful alternative? Nope.

How would a game like that be rated? If the main character was a terminator of sorts walking around with several machine gun arms blowing holes in the locals? If that new game "Hatred" took place on another planet, it would have never been heard of by any of us.

...discussing ratings... still on topic...

--edit

This thread also discusses sound, so I'll rein things in even more. Take a game like hatred with its current R / X rating. How would the rating be if 100% of the sound effects in the game were replaced with farts?

Guns: loudness matches calibre
Civilian bullet impacts: small, sharp
Protagonist monologuing: Peter Griffin vs Michael Moore in the bathroom
Bad weather: irritated stomach
etc, etc

 

It's not really on topic. The topic was simple: will the asset store take sex sounds? The answer is apparently no, which is actually, literally, illogical. But then, lots of things are illogical

 

Then close the thread please.