Locking scam alerts, part 2 - Last thread, I promise, please don't ban me. ;)

even if I was Mr bones don't you think the moderator would have locked this topic by now. don't you think you should be checking out the Unity store for stolen or pirated content as we speak? or would that be too hypocritical?

 

No because moderators don't check the forum every 2 minuts.
And no why should i? What people sell isn't my business unless they sell "to me". If i get scammed it's not my business if someone else gets scammed somewhere else, here it's not about "something else somewhere else". Stop avoiding the discussion, either state that yes everyone will be reimbursed and understand you get off VERY EASY, or state no (or nothing, which i will take as a no because it doesn't seem to be possible to get an answer from you and no answer = no reimbursement which sides with no) and then face the consequences.

 

I can't speak for Mr bones, but I thought he already refunded everybody on this forum.

 

Not i because i never asked for a refund until now, but i'd like a proper business move (reimburse everyone, not just on this forum, as in take your customer list, email all of them telling them that they shouldn't use the assets and list the pirated assets, and send full reimbursement). Anything bellow isn't proper business and, as someone who hasn't sought reimbursement yet, i may not be as nice as to accept just a reimbursement if the proper ethique doesn't follow (because those acts do cause damage, and not reimbursing everyone and stoping all sales immediately and permanently means you're pretty happy with continuing to make off a quick buck in this illegal way)

 

if you don't think that there's any pirated or stolen content being sold on the Unity store right now then you are truly naive and barking up the wrong tree.

 

There is a very well known legal term for "I didn't know it was stolen". It's called:

It means "Ignorance of the law is no excuse", the courts will not accept Ignorance of the law as a defense.

You're going to get into some serous trouble with the law one of these days if you continue to sell stolen property.

 

Why do you keep bringing this up? No one said that, all i said is it's NOT MY BUSINESS if there is such stuff. But it is my business if YOU SELL ME such stuff. Why should i care if there are illegal offerings on the store? We're not talking about anyone else, your options are simple, do you want to get off easy, or do you want to get off hard? I don't like scamming and i'm willing to put my ressources, without limit, toward stoping that as it concerns me. This means i need to study my options but i do not put off the possibility of going forward with actions, even though they would likely cost me more than they'd lose me, as it makes the positive statement of "don't scam me", and i'd definately seek help from others (including the rightfull content owners, who are likely to be pretty unhappy, as well as other customers)

 

Not one of these days, very soon if he doesn't come clean. I do think everyone should take responsibility and i'm willing to take some in this even if it means losing some cash. If anyone else is unhappy with the situation please contact me to let me know if you'd be interested in a joint action if he doesn't come clean, thanks.

 

I thought you said it wasn't any of your business.

go ask Mr bones if he'll do that I'm not him

 

I said what happens on the asset store on assets i didn't purchase is not my business, in this case i've been one of the scammed people, so it sure is my business.
And no, as i said i'll keep here publicly, you can't both be his very close friend, being able to know in an instant that he "probably typed too fast", and not know him enough to pass the message, beside i'm fairly sure you're him because else, why the hell are you here? some dude from nowhere who creates an account just to answer here, at an incredible speed monitoring this thread constantly for hours?

 

How did you know they were talking about Joe McPeak's questionable assets as that was your first post and nobody prior had brought up Bone's scam?

 

who are you speaking to Mr bones?

if so I think he already knows that he's already refunded everyone's money,

and apologize profusely before being banned for life on this forum.

what more do you want from him?

I wouldn't be surprised if Mr bones hangs himself after all you put him through.

and for the last time I'm not Mr bones any further dialogue will have to be with him directly.

 

He didn't reimburse everyone, only those who asked.
And he's putting himself through this by acting illegally and not even coming clean, stoping all this is as easy as reimbursing everyone as i stated (as in, everyone, not just those few who noticed they were scammed).

 

No. No. and No.

He was calling people derogatory names before the Moderator locked the thread and cut it off. Nothing else had been said by Mr. Bones, besides that he wasn't apologizing for anything.

 

I had a look at his website and uhm, he's listing his partners, seriously? Alias is one of his partners? I'm fairly sure not!

 

Also reimbursing makes no sense if he's still selling, why are those stolen assets still up for sale?

 

mind your own business

if you want Mr bones 2 refund everybody's money that he's ever sold bones to go ask him don't ask me to ask him.
you said twice now its not your business who sells stolen assets to others

I'll say it again mind your own business , i do.

 

I don't know ask him.

better yet go warn him I'm going to mind my own business

 

I'm not talking to you specifically, but to this thread publicly which he can read (althought i'm certain you're him, but that's a whole other point).
So i'm asking him, publicly.
And if you're not him, you're certainly NOT minding your own business , you have nothing to do in this thread, as someone who was scammed by him i do have a place in this thread. And i never said it wasn't my business, you're just incapable to read basic english, i said people getting scammed overall isn't my business, but people getting scammed BY THE SAME SCAMMER AS ME is my business, because people usually attack back in groups when they are scammed for better chance of success. In any case, either you're him and you should have a clear stance, or you're not and really, you have only made the situation worse not better by posting here because your answers are not to his advantage.

 

Some flat out irony in this post.

 

Well going to wait a bit see if he comes back to his sense simply reimburse everyone and stops this (if his whole business is based on this fraud, it's probably best to just close it start anew!). If not i'll be contacting the rightfull asset owner all costumers i can find as well as all stores where he sells this and see if they're interested in sharing the costs for a grouped action i guess.

 

I don't think Mr bones would be able to read this because when your band you cannot access the forum.

it is very late and I'm very tired, I am done with this whole crucify Mr bones thread.

do what you gotta do I know you're going to anyway goodnight..

 

The law is much more harsher and offers greater recourse.


If the other party obtained a search warrant, they could seize all of TrueBones computers and (other equipment, like shut-down the servers) the other party can check TrueBones computer forensically for illegal content on his HDD and gather evidence. TrueBones don't have to consent for that.


The law is clear on Copyright infringement. if one part is infringing, the whole thing is infringing. The copyright owner has the right to stop the further and subsequent sales. Furthermore, who pays for MIT license or Creative Commons material? If they are MIT or CC, why is the full list of MIT or CC materials not attributed on TrueBones site?


The law is clear on Perjury and telling lies during Civil proceedings. If TrueBones tells lies in court, he would lose the case. If TrueBones acts in concept of court, he would lose the case also. So, either you get your act together and start acting professionally and stop stealing.


This is not a normal rigging, model and animation shop like Mixamo where they provide both the full suite of services. TrueBones would have some respect if it was owned by a group of animators (e.g., Fano_linux - http://www.motiontracks.org or Rosor - http://protofactor.biz) and provided full services. But nope, this is just selling animation lists.


What does the list actually contain? Is there a file listing or preview feature so customer can try them?


If you are selling animation lists, just get a good animator or hire someone to do the correct job. Otherwise, it is either the animation don't fit the rig, the 3d model collapses on playback in Unity3d, or the thing does not fit the model without correct fit and without correct rigging, the animation list is quite useless.


What if you want to model non-humans or inanimate objects? it seems there is no idea and the list seems pretty useless for that.


Lazy-bones does not indemnify the user of their product from lawsuits, which means that their product is suspect and may contain issues. If someone brought Lazy-bones list and later gets sued, will Lazy-Bones accept liability or ... not my business attitude?

 

It doesn't matter if he accepts liability, he is liable, even beyond the limited company status in this situation (if he even has a registered company). In any case i have no clue how he got off for so long, the little time i worked with him i knew he was bad at business / clueless about law, but i'd never have guessed he stole any assets, and was always led to believe that anything except the (cmu something?) public domain bits were all recorded fixed by him!

 

A good 3d modeller don't need to use public domain things. This is what you learn in college or post-gradudate diploma. Even AutoDesk authorized education centers run courses to teach people to correctly rig, animate, texture and set the frame correctly.


Can that person show a full video how he models, rig, animate, texture with attention to low-poly and LOD? I would like to see the part where he does the animation lists (by his own effort) for whale (idle, attack, special moves, dead), horse (idle, attack, special moves, dead, move head, move tail around...) and step-by-step high res video. THX

 

I just received this email from MrBone, as he can't post here but he said i could , i'm posting his email here.
I did not edit any of the meaning of the content but i did 1 edit : adding a number before each of this point. This is only so that i can refer to those point by numbers in my reply.

 

His email :

Ronan,

1) Someone just contacted me regarding some posts you made about me?

2) Anything I sold you was not illegal or stolen or pirated...

Please be assured I did not scam you. How could you say that?

3) I dont need to steal to make a living, I made you paks of motions that we were supposed to sell together,

And then you flaked out on me.

4) What is this I hear your about to start some class action lawsuit ?

5) The last batch of motions I sold was a simple misunderstanding,

I thought it was like the CMU motions under a Creative Commons license.

6) I have since refunded those that requested a refund.

But what is this I hear you want me to refund everyones money??

OR make public claims as to my business dealings with my customers.

7) I think you better cease and desist before I have to initiate a lawsuit against you.

For libel and slander.

8) Please Ronan, for this time and always, mind your own business.

9) I will not bullied threatened or intimidated by your kind anymore at anytime.

And you can post this on that forum that banned me.

I am never selling my hard earned goods or services to Unity users ever again, for exactly this reason.

Regards.

Joseph E McPeek from Truebones Motions.
http://truebones.com
Email mrbones@truebones.com
1-248-390-8442

 

My reply :

Joseph,

1) I didn’t do posts about you, but about your assets, where I inquired about their legality after others have posted.

2) I was linked to place where you your “friend” on that forum stated an asset was not your property to resell and I asked multiple times “if” previous pack were affected.
I also mentioned multiple times that my statements were based on “if” those previous packs were affected or only the last one.

3) I didn’t flack on you, you were supposed to not post while I managed the unity community and it was unmanageable, in any case this doesn’t relate to the topic at hand.

4) I didn’t talk about a class action lawsuit, but about bringing together all those affected if you didn’t want to reimburse them, this, once again, only applies if I’m one of those affected (that is, if the pack you sold to me contains assets you didn’t have rights to sell), if not, I’m not going to pursue anything as I stated clearly in the thread.

6) Of course you should refund everyone’s money (not just those who ask) if you sold anything you didn’t have the right to sell it, that’s simply basic business (well basic business is not selling it and understanding you’re liable for much more than a refund in those cases, but that’s getting off topic).

7) There is no libel and slander, I stand by every post I made, If you want to give me cash by bringing me to court on this and losing, feel free to.

8) As I stated, “if” there are assets you didn’t have the right to resell included as part of what you sold me it “is” my own business, can you make a clear stance on this that I could post?

5) If I get this email right what you’re saying is that the only assets you ever sold without authorization is the last pack everything else is either created by you or properly licensed? If so please make it known I’ll add this info from you to the post if you wish, it will also means that (unless someone raises that it is false) it actually won’t be my business anymore as I’m not one of the affected parties.

9) I’m neither bullying nor threatening, I’m simply told I may have purchased assets to which you had no rights to transfer property to me, which would be pretty serious, if this Is false I ask for no more than a statement that it is so and that every single animation in the package you sold to me was either public domain or explicitly licensed to you for resale

I have edited your post before posting, I changed none of the content but added a number before each line so that I can refer to each point by number in my reply, I indicate in my forum post that I edited your mail that way and in no other ways.
Regards.

 

New reply from Truebones (if everything is correct there, i think all issues are solved):

Well Ronan,

I cant see whats being said about me and my business behind my back,

But I dont like the smell of it already..

All I can say is no, I never sold you stolen or pirated wares, and I never would.

I thought you would know that by now, having seen all the motions I made for you personally. (Using my own Mocap Studio)

This whole hub bub is only about the last pak of motions made called Uni-Bones.

Which again required a TON of hard work to make usable in Unity.

It wasnt just zip up a bunch of stolen motions and pass them off as my own.

Im not that stupid.

Its actually easier to make Mocap myself,

but I thought the Unity Community would be appreciative.

I thought wrong.

So to answer your question directly again,

No, I did not sell you anything Illegal, Pirated, stolen or warezed for that matter.

This was the first time Ive ever had any issue in over 14 years of doing business.

I sure hope to god its the last.

And yes I will send a letter to all the recentUni-Bones customers, explaining the issue,

And I am pulling the Uni-Bones from Truebones Shelfs tommorow.

I dont need any trouble, Ive been to jail and know what that smells like.

Regards.

 

This is the best show on the internet at the moment. I love it.

I haven't laughed so much in ages, I almost wet my pants.

Please note, I mean no offense. I am sure that there is a lot of emotion behind these posts. It is just fun to watch from the sidelines. It is like watching two drunk girls at a party get into a fight

PS. For what its worth. I think Mr Bones made a mistake and has paid for it and hopefully the impact on others is minimal. I bought the pack and he returned my money very promptly and professionally.

 

+1

 

UnityForever, Honestly drop the act everyone knows it is you MR BONES. (rofl) You only have 30 posts and are defending MR Bones as if it where your girlfriend. All it takes is a mod to come in check your account, see if it is the same as the other/others and we would know.

(rofl) unityforever your so funny

 

So the only Mr.Bones product in question is the UniBones? I've purchased other packs of his.

 

I suggest you search the forum with the word "truebones", find all the locked threads and check if they involve the product you purchased.

 

I hate how he double spaces every line.

 

Kindly support this suggestion:


Vendor EULA update request: if banned on forums, banned from selling on Asset Store.

http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/18...-selling-on-Asset-Store?p=1272187#post1272187

 

Here is the Project Pinnochio TOU, It should not be confused with MIXAMO,

Mixamo I only use to Rigg My own characters, I have Hundreds of them, They are all legal to use.

Project Pinnochio However has facial animation and all the models you make have 0 restrictions to sell or use.

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Actually found something quite a lot more concise
http://labs.autodesk.com/technologies/pinocchio/faqs

Q: Are there any restrictions to using or redistributing my characters or images or animations generated from my characters?
A: No.

 

Hmmm, unfortunately I bought the pack in question but missed all the posts about it. I will have to do some searching to read about everything that happened.

 

Dear moderators please lock this thread because it was made by Truebones. Thank you!