Lets agree not to become a bunch of snobby game devs

Would you have trouble saying it if the person you were speaking to made the face in my avatar?

I was calm today until about 6:22PM when I saw 2 cars cut off a police car and honk at it before realizing it was a police car and then drove normally. I thought for sure there was going to be traffic. It's cool now though, that was like 4 hours ago.

 

I don't have problem with links sending (directly) to google. I have problem with that condescending cutscene lmgtfy uses. THAT is insulting.

 

I think Unity should have playable webGL versions of their Learn Demos at the top of the forum pages so people can try them out and know they can start right away learning those materials. Something is discouraging them from paying a lot of attention when they navigate Unity's site. Maybe Unity needs a international UI expert to remake the site header and their web pages. Download and Learn should be the two links that can't be missed. Maybe replace Learn with a symbol like Libraries use of silhouette of a person holding a book.

 

Honestly, if they have trouble navigating a web site (good or bad ux), they are already doomed to failure in game development (and probably in life).

 

Probably but I suggested that more for a way to get the attention and inspiration for these AHDH (ADD or ??? whatever) types to get motivated and directed to a relevant course of action given their claimed interests. Motivation is what's lacking, I'm not being fooled into thinking they are stupid for one minute. If they are playing dumb and doing that to troll, well let's be honest and say we should really ignore those threads. How often does the OP of such a thread follow up after all?

 

The gently mocking cut scene is meant to help the lesson stick.

If someone has already demonstrated basic Google fu then I'll simply give them the right key words. But if they seem to have no clue how to search I'll send them to lmgtfy.

 

It appears to be illegal to be competitive and illegal to have any emotion other than happiness, therefore that generation will amount to absolutely naff all, while I enjoy my pile of cash which I shall use to build a new death star.

 

I think it was meant to make people hate you.

The gentle scene shows how to press a button with mouse, slowly. That's not useful, and has subtext of "hey, you obviously was too dumb to figure out how to press a button!"

Just throw people keywords and/or direct google link (they'll see search keywords when they open it). LMGFY serves no purpose. For search tips it would be better to direct people to a page that describes google advanced search operators. You know, "cache:", "inurl:" "intitle:" "", "-", etc. Few years you could use nearly regexp like grouping syntax (meaning () braces and | ), not sure if it still works. It is a pity + no longer works as operator. It was less cumbersome than "" in search queries.

 

OK i try not to joke for a second (its hard) , this forum has allot of people with brains, intelligent people, that means its easy to feel offended even you are not being offended, i might have offended some one here myself, tough my intention was the opposite. Its about respect, respect that things can get heated up yet in a friendly manner. I have to say this forum does this well, thanks to good moderators and a general professional attitude. This forum deserves a good reputation.
[Jokes back on]

 

http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/e/f/What-Is-Epeen.htm

Spoiler: Epeen

Answer: "Epeen" (e-peen; epeen) is a harsh term used to mock someone's inflated ego as being an "electronic penis". It is used to insult those online users who deem themselves superior to others.

In the case of online communities like forums and MMO games, there will always be egoists with superiority complexes. These egoists are known for their excessive bragging, regular condescending comments to others, and an overall abrasive nature.

Nobody likes egoists, so it is common in virtual communities for people to mock these egoists by referring to their 'electronic penises' being bigger than others. Indeed, to have someone refer to your epeen is to have someone insult you.

 

true, so true.

 

I've made occasional snarky comments to friends or my parents face to face. Usually no one is offended becaus I tend to have a point when I make such comments and people I know value honesty over politeness (which may be a cultural thing). Also it is a lot easier to make the exact same words sound more light hearted and non-threatening face to face than it is over the internet. Smilies help, but nothing can replace tone of voice and a genuine smile.

 

Witty comedy usually has point. Sometimes it's the only way people can even talk about certain subjects without getting tons of boos from an audience / hurt their image.

This is also where comedians shine. Your misery... my misery... sarkeesian's misery... they make great entertainment when framed properly

 

A whole generation of people scared to ask for extra sauce at the drive thru window. Too wimpy to tell street beggars to "get a job!" Frightened of girls, their mothers and paying bills. A generation that won't stand up to its own leadership, or each other.

The next horrific chapter of human history just writes itself.

The best defense anyone has is vocal opposition, counter-propoganda, etc. But by this point anyone who says anything inconsistent with what you would read in a newspaper or see on television is labeled a nutjob, or a conspiracy theorist, before they even open their mouths.

At some point, folks like me are basically gonna dissolve into the background and simply pretend we're not there. The joy of "I told you so" will be nullified by how poorly humans are being treated, with the only thing that absolves the conscience being that, essentially, it is people's own fault.

 

You might be right..I see this with my 20-something kids. But you know, my younger teens are not like this at all. They are ambitious, they are already making money with their artwork, and they are not afraid to ask to be paid for the work. I watched them shine at a recent art show, getting all sorts of attention from adults and dealing with it as mature young ladies. Not to say they are not typical teens at home. lol

I think kids that came of age at a time when the economy was so bad and even those with an education had a tough time getting jobs really put a dent in their confidence. I have one young adult who floats through life, never taking a stand and just letting the chips fall. My other one wants to stay in college forever I think. lol

I am not sure one has to be competitive with others to be successful, but I do think some competition with one's self helps. If you strive to always do better than you have in the past, then you will move forward.

 

Then perhaps there is hope. Maybe it's time to give up on today's whiny young adult and focus on the next generation. They do seem a little gutsy.

 

You need to be introduced to my oldest nephew. I've never heard a kid whine as much as he does. Granted he is three.

 

So, to recap:

Which, with all due respect to the OP, sounds a bit preachy in addition to being redundant and needlessly alarmist. There are many negative traits that this forum isn't displaying. Should we enumerate all of them and warn against each? And what purpose would that serve?

 

fun

 

There's more than one country. If you have that around you, it doesn't mean that it happens all around the world.

 

I think the economic collapse really hurt my generation (yeah I'm a millenial). I feel lucky that I had a job or was sheltered by my parents during the worst of it, while I dealt with other problems. In fact for what the rest of us went through, and what I went through I'm a very lucky guy to be where I am.

I think its too early to tell just what will become of the millenial generation. I think historically as people get older they begin to take more interest in politics and important stuff like that. Maybe that will pan out in the future...


In case anyone cares....

Myself? I pay attention to the news. I read it everyday on Twitter or elsewhere and right now our leadership is pissing me off. TBH I feel pretty powerless to do anything about it, apart from participate in whatever petitions Mozilla or the EFF features. That recent CISA rider those fools in Washington placed on the must-pass funding bill was a low blow IMO.

I don't consider myself a patriot in the sense that I approve of every move our government makes. In fact I disapprove of a lot of the things they do. But I do believe in those rights guaranteed to us in the bill of rights and the constitution. Our leaders seem to be forgetting all about us, and those rights seem to be getting repealed more so every day.

My good buddy is really into politics. Specifically anarchism, and socialism. Neither of those things are as bad as you think they are (in fact whatever preconceived notions you may have are probably wrong).

France and the rest of Europe seems to be taking the same route the US did after 9/11. I'm predicting they will be in a similar position to us in about a decade... its odd their government seems to be enacting powers granted to it before their new consitution was enacted in the 1940's. Nobody seems to realize (or care). This bullshit about Encryption... ugh. I sometimes feel like our leaders can do whatever the F*** they want so long as they have the ghost of a plausible explanation for it. "Turrurists are using enkryption and our spies are too st00pid to crack it!"

For all the surveillance we do these days, it doesn't appear to affect the number of attacks that happen.

Oh and that CISA rider? The stupidly scary fact is if government-encryption-backdoors is part of the package (I think it is I'm not sure of the exact details), and ISP's are required to hand over info about their customers, then that means nothing is safe from the NSA, or our gov. Encryption protects bank traffic, online purchases, communication, website connections, etc. If they have backdoors in HTTPS, SSL, or what-have-you, then they have access to everything!

 

Oh please the generation gaps and these X, Y, Z, and yadda, yadda, yadda is a bunch of fake cultural divisions fed to you by the political and media elite to make you feel special and with that they have one hand on your wallet and you groveling for the approval of the fake clique, which almost always involves buying differentiated product they created just so those clique members can turn their noses up at the other fake cliques. It's a exceedingly thin guise meant to appeal to individual ego and individual selfishness. Really, there is but one set of laws for the jurisdiction one lives in and that's the final word.

 

I thought it was our leader's jobs to do our bidding? To do what we want? I really don't give a flying fla-doodle if they pass a law which is legally against our constitution and bill of rights, because that itself is and should be illegal for them to do. I seriously think they oughta be voted out or impeached. Just because a congressman makes a law doesn't mean its right. Especially today with the level of corruption today and the legal precedence set 200 years ago.

I've seen reports that not only has the supreme court been bought out by big money corporations and wealthy persons, even your local judges, most of whom have no experience or qualifications being a judge, literally have their campaigns backed by the same people. I can provide a link if you have sufficient doubts (provided I can find it on my facebook feed).

I say that because some day you could find yourself or your kids in a legal situation where you are treated unfairly by a judge who had his campaign backed by large interests. Granted most of those companies have no interest in your hearing, but the judges are unscrupulous individuals on big money payroll. They can't be expected to do the right thing!

 

I can recommend to read more than one news source. News from different countries, preferably. If you only know english, learn at least one foreign language and read their news too.

XD

 

How did this switch to politics? lol That's something not worth discussing. Focus on the important stuff: game dev.

 

Yeah, politicians are best watched and controlled when they spend money not when they are claiming such and such an artificial social clique is being oppressed.

So you see the governments spending money on something like safety simulations via products like Unity and lots of others good; you see them claiming oppression rather then pulling their head out of the sand and creating safety, health, and work well now who is it running these countries of the world after all? They are damning their own work. The last thing we need is blaming somebody else or some other culture and not creating the technology and laws to make our futures as safe and healthy as possible. So while we have to oppose those that do behave in such a manner, our way forward is clear.

 

Okay , I'm not gonna start this all over again. I know I have been annoying to many of you. Maybe even a snarky jackass.

First of all , I didn't abuse anyone , didn't harass anyone , didn't insult anyone , didn't mock anyone.
All of us are having an argument and argument without disagreeing is pointless. You guys were sharing your opinion , I was sharing mine , now I'm not responsible if you don't agree with it. After all , we all come up with different opinions.
I'm not upset over anything , I just added my view that noob questions should be ignored , deleted or locked instead of responding to them in a discouraging way.
I see that all of you are nice people , no one discourages them. Even I wasn't discouraged when I was new and I'm grateful. I wasn't talking about you people , I was talking about those who do.

Second , if ever someone got offended by my replies , I apologize.

 

Now people still think you're a snarky jackass, but now they also think you are someone who doesn't stick to his guns. Commit to being abrasive.

 

@Haseeb_BSAA For the record I never said you were being snarky. I said that was my impression. Perhaps I wasn't clear on that. If that wasn't your intention then no need to apologize, I'm sure none of us were too disgruntled. Cheers!

 

Who cares if he's being snarky? At least 50% of the posts in this forum section are snarky.

 

You know what? This is not the place for politics. If you want divisiveness, go somewhere else. I don't want it here.

 

This isn't pointed at you, more of a generic statement FYI.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.. The pre-requisite for being an indie is a tough skin, if you're a bit jittery and take what people say to heart this ain't the industry for you.

When you release a product, the rules of civility go out the window. Saying you should talk to people how you would face to face makes no bearing on that, they don't care. I've never seen anything on the Unity forums that comes within a light year of the **** you get when your product is out in the open world.

Personally it doesn't bother me, in fact sometimes I find it amusing. But sometimes you do loose a bit of faith in humanity..

 

I was surprised to find out the uninsulated tin house I was living at in Brandenberg was once the kitchen for a jail. Let me tell you it was extremely hot in summer and extremely freezing in winter. Well, for people that is. It was more comfortable outside.

 

Do you have any recommendation on how to brace yourself for that?

 

Maybe it's time to make that best thread:
http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/beginner-wants-to-learn-to-make-an-open-world-mmo-game.374772/

The OP is asking good questions and and seems to be pretty reasonable.

 

I do, might be a thread within itself though.. Plus as it affects people's work, it's not a popular topic.

 

Actually the questions are pretty good and reasonable. I just replied to him in case you don't know.

 

Guys , I have a really good idea to solve this issue, why don't we make a section for new people here to post their problems and issues? I know that there is getting started section but I don't think it's enough, also the section should be made by Normal people not admins so they can get fast responses.

 

There still will be a chance for keyboard cowboys camping there to.. and there is a newbie section already.

 

I know, but no one is giving S*** about it.

 

Both the forums and answers have beginner sections. What more do you need?

 

I don't know, not all the questions in unity answers get accepted, and even if it gets accepted it doesn't get a lot of responses that is actually helpful, I have saw a lot of questions with no answers and the answer is really easy.
Most of the people just get lazy to help someone.

 

This I will call you out on. If you see a question with an easy answer, then answer it. Especially if it's high up on the google search results.

But to your bigger point the questions in the beginner area in answers bypass the mod queue. It's a change we made a few months back in response to another discussion like this.

 

Lazy to answer or lazy to google it? In both case you find lazyness To waste another person's time is no worries for the wicket. To not answer is not a bad human thing.

 

Well, it was more than 2 years old that's why I couldn't answer it :/

It's not a bad human thing, but it's a bad thing for Unity Community.

 

Unfortunately, that would be a lost cause. Only a few people would visit it and the newcomers would not have much visibility. At least the way it is now, someone might see their thread and respond.

 

Oops, said that above, sorry. I think many of us care, but honestly, it isn't our job to teach people to use Unity. I answer questions sometimes, but a lot of the time, I am busy, or involved in another conversation or whatever. I am sure that goes double for those that are contractors or close to release of their game, or who are on a time schedule...including the many many people who does this on the side and spend all day at an office job.

Unity has fabulous tutorials. There are lots of code snippets spread over the forums and in Answers.

Remember, other than Unity staff, we are all volunteering whatever time we use to help someone. We are not obligated and in some cases we can't help with vague questions such as...how do I make a game? People need to using Unity's tutorials and videos.

 

I need to finish my coffee so I don't keep forgetting to add on to the other post. LOL Geesh.

What is bad for the Unity Community is when people don't use the Unity resources to learn to use Unity but instead come to the forum asking for broad generic help. How many times does one have to say...go to Learn. Why isn't that obvious? Honestly, I am asking that question. What more can one say?

 

I answer allot of times.. with codes and explanation.. So do others, pretty helpful community. Even if you dont get the answer you want (basically give me the code to do it)

 

Yeah, this is what I think some want. lol

BTW, not to brag, but the other day I figured out a code issue myself..and I don't code. I was so proud, I danced around the house and my programmer son had to tell me how good I was. lol

Funny how the more you see it, the more it makes sense.