Just a thought on Dark Theme

Including Dark Theme as part of Unity Premium Learn (15$ per month) would be a huge subscriber boost.
Yes or no?

 

You should really create poll, if you want some sensible results.

In my opinion, at current state it is not any big deal breaker. Is rather extra bonus, for whom really like to work in dark theme.
Current editor is not that bright anyway, to make any critical difference.

 

I have a Plus subscription. I'm using the light theme. It's better for your eyes. Just don't work in the dark, have a light or two turned on when you're working.

 

Something not important enough I pay extra for it, something important enough I complain it should be free and included

 

Well it's important, all the soft are pushing nightmode for a reason, eye is getting tired when looking at too much white light for too long.
Alternative solution, buy a screen filter that decrease blue light.

 

This. It's not the brightness that is the problem. It's the contrast between the elements in the UI. Poor contrast means your eyes have to strain to be able to pick up the differences. Additionally it's more strenuous on them to focus on white text on a black background than black text on a white background.

Monitor brightness should match the workspace brightness of your environment. Too dark is just as bad as too light.

https://www.wired.com/2013/09/flux-eyestrain/

 

Editor is gray, not white.
Forum is white by defualt. Now you switching between bright and dark environment.
Your game may be brighter than game editor.
Plus also you got now high contrast.
Day is bright as well and surroundings.

 

Eyestrain being cited is so exceptionally niche as to basically be ridiculous on its face as a premise.

 

I think in the new UI coming (with 2019.3 supposedly) they made the light theme just a bit darker, from the screen shots i remember seeing a while back about it it looked perfect.

 

okay that blue light thing might more or less an hoax, I research back to make my point, and since then there is more stuff calling this up? I haven't dug in depth yet, but wikipedia is at least shooting the thing down as marketing from one light filter company.

I'm using the 2019.3.0b4, it's barely darker

 

Before 2019.2 there were more surfaces having #DEDEDE color. Since then everything became darker and since a lot of surfaces became darker, the overall feeling is more darker.

 

The thing is, it wasn't really ever "too bright" and we've seen it a lot less since 5.x came out and introduced broad scale feature parity

 

Blue light is primarily a problem with sleep cycles.

https://www.sleepfoundation.org/articles/how-blue-light-affects-kids-sleep

To my knowledge you don't need a special filter either as most modern operating systems have a toggle you can hit to reduce blue light emissions. The "night light" mode in Windows 10's notification panel is one example and I remember seeing a similar option in the notification panel for Android.

 

Good advice, however personally I find the blue light filter quite problematic when working on games, since it distorts the colour accuracy of your screen, making everything appear differently. I once was modifying post processing effects with it on, only to realise what I did and that it was completely different to what it looked like on my screen with the filter on

 

Welcome to the dark side.

Spoiler

 

2019.3 is just fking ugly to look at or use now.

 

I said the same thing to my ex.

 

Well at least you could move on, alternatives to Unity 'modern' garbage flat and stale UI are bleak.. basically it's become like all the other skanky S*** looking game engines, like what is the next best thing at this point, thinking of the children .. ie my game projects.. such an effing disappointment.

Best I can hope for is a major facelift makeup theme that enhances the crappy mess that it has been turned into.

 

Wait till you try lumberyard or cryengine. . .

 

I already know.. difference is lumberlard and cryengine even though both sport trash modernist flat crap zero style interface of garbage.. they are at least provided in a dark color scheme.. which at least hides how awful of it. Not to mention cryengine stil uses a bit more color and gradients/bevel to things.. honestly I'm leaning towards cryengine for the c# support, it' just missing a good third party tools and community

Unity's 2019.3 practically white grey on grey flat crap zero contrast piss poor font text and layout sizing is frankly awful to use. A darker theme in only available in plus/pro version at least hides this how awful it is to look at and use, like most things that are dark all the cracks and ugliness is less obvious...it's still S*** and suffers from the same poor layout spacing, font sizing, padding etc.. but at least it's not glaringly bright in face your rubbish.

 

Have you tried presenting your own idealised layout as a photoshop file or something to UT, where the UI is implemented in OpenGL or Skia? That might be an idea.

In the mean time here is a quick hack using a hex editor to switch to the dark theme for free and it works on 2019.x!

Enjoy

 

I have actually... it's in this thread

 

I am disappoint this wasn't a link to somewhere

 

You mean a link to somewhere

 

I just brought this up as a compromise.
15 per month for premium learn AND dark skin.
I for one would buy immediately as opposed to neither.
I don't imagine too many people buying Learn currently

 

Same, but that's because there was a Humble Bundle recently that gave an entire year for $15.

 

So your plan to get people to buy Learn is to offer the most tantalizing of rewards:
a dark theme.

You know how that sounds, right?

 

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Not too different from unity restricting the dark theme to exclusively pro users.

 

It's not just for pro users.

 

Both premium learn and dark skin are worth precisely nothing to the average customer. Bundle them together and they are still worth nothing.

 

You mean Pro and Plus users, right?

 

Except for the fact that Plus/Pro both have additions other than that and this proposition is "just put it more places."

You know what? I've got a better idea. Get rid of the dark theme entirely. Don't even make it an option. Turn the car around and go home instead of to Disney Land or whatever.

 

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Or an even better suggestion would be to get the board of directors to release dark mode for free. Blender, affinity, VS code, sublime use dark theme. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Oh and everyone loves Disney land, turning back home ain't an option!

 

Wow, I wonder what UT has to say on the matter. I'm sure enticing noobs with dark mode and premium learning is core to their business model!

 

No, No, noooooo! xD
I would refuse to use Unity without a Dark Theme.
I seriously don't know why they choose to continue this Premium Dark Theme agenda, other than to please egos of people who buy it and make them feel that little extra special.
Marketing at its finest.

 

Well the 2019.3 light theme is far worse than before so it's not just marketing that is involved in pushing this premium dark theme agenda.

 

You guys who do not pay for Plus/Pro do you know that you get better response times on issues etc? I couldn't care less about dark themes

 

Do you believe that is the factor? Not rather complexity of the issue itself?
Maybe they like keep you on tips of toes, as you good paying subscriber

 

I just know that they respond within the day on my issues, and I have read here that many personal license issues have to wait a long time for their issues to get a response.

edit: btw, if you dont quote its a big chance I miss to respond

 

Ok, I will try keep in mind

I think I read/understood your message a bit different way. From what I read, It suggest that who do not pay, has better support response.

But here you mean, who payed, got better response.

Which is fine. But I think early bird on wine, or I had bad sleep

 

Do not forget that its not my native language

I pay for better support, not dark themes

 

Other competing engine strategy who are stil behind a paywall: lure customer with advanced features, dark theme for free
Unity: offer advanced feature for free, dark theme is paid

One dominate the market, they understand what people REALLY wanted from a game engine.

 

Very true, I think in a way Unity are one of the most fair of all old engines providing most features in the free version which has pushed other engines to actually follow suit in a way.
In hindsight, we can thank them for making the game engine industry more accessible to us

 

What few problems our team has had that we couldn't solve on our own Unity didn't know how to solve either.

 

Sometimes I think we are the only ones using Unity since we find so many bugs edit: I talk about bugs, not general support

 

Technically UE4 went free one day before Unity released the full featured free personal edition of Unity 5. According to youtube comment Source 2 did the same the same day. They probably all had the plan independantly and were just waiting for anyone to make the first move.

 

Those were great days to be an indie. Price competition and a race to the bottom all around. The engine wars seem to have died down a bit since then. Its hard to go cheaper than free.

Was it only one day? I seem to recall a longer period, like a week or so, between the UE announcement and Unity 5 announcement.

 

I also think it was few days. But my memory may fail me.

 

The Unity 5 announcement came at GDC 2015. I remember being in the live chat with @hippocoder watching the stream with other members of the community.

https://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/03/03/unity-5-launch/
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/43898/unity-5-announced-royalty-free-personal-edition/index.html

For some reason I thought it was longer too but it looks like Epic Games announced their intentions a day earlier.

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/ue4-is-free