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"I have a strict budget of $6.50..."

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by JoeStrout, Aug 3, 2015.

  1. Tomnnn

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    Reminds me of the story behind hinkly california. A little regulation and giving a damn about the environment they were destroying would have been a small financial loss there instead of the huge financial loss that hit when people found out they were living on top of a chemical dump and all started getting diseases.

    Just another reason to vote democrat :p Regulation is important. And you can't trust big business to regulate itself, because even if an angry mob hangs the CEO after destroying a state... it's still going to happen AFTER the state is destroyed.

    All economies are a method of distribution of finite resources where a population is uncapped. You work, you get money, you spend money, the places you spend money on pay their workers to spend it elsewhere... it just slows down consumption. It gives a handful of people good lives and considerably more people terrible lives.

    There's a figure going around stating that a week of US military spending could end world hunger. If that's true, then I guess we aren't at carrying capacity yet. But the way capitalism & greed work together, you've got a huge population of starving poor people all over the world and then a very small population of super wealthy people. I am not proud to be human :)
     
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  2. kanga

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    QFA.
    Call me a commie if you want (I dont give a monkey's), but Tomnnn nailed it, and that is not the way life is, it is the way people are.
     
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  3. Kiwasi

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    Call yourself a socialist. We have a political and economic system that actually works.
     
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  4. Tomnnn

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    You say "we" but I don't think everyone knows where you're from. Unless you know kanga :eek:

    I prefer the "economies only serve the purpose of distributing finite resources to an infinite population" bit myself, but thanks lol. It's been easy for me to make this conclusion since I'm American and have been able to witness the frequent atrocities up close. There's nothing quite as wretched as the health care system here. If only more people knew that for the price of surgery here you could fly to Spain, get the surgery, spend a year there at a hotel and then fly back. I wonder how cheap our healthcare would be if the military budget was reduced to that of our allies and then the excess was put into healthcare.

    So, to be dark and on topic, maybe the low budget posts we see are victims of the American healthcare system and they don't have much money left to spare.

    I can only hope that is enough to quell the anger of the forum gods, aurore and hippocoder. May the mods have mercy on the lockstate of this thread.
     
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  5. Kiwasi

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    We as in the general population of socialists in the world today. And by socialist I mean countries with governments that consider providing for people needs, especially those in poor financial circumstances, as one of the key roles of government.

    Not spending money on massive militaries also helps. But the American government is such a big consumer in terms of manufactured military goods that any meaningful reduction in military spending would push the US back into a recession.
     
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  6. darkhog

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    I actually can't wait for driverless Uber. The last Uber driver I have "pleasure" to go with reeked of sauerkraut and onions.
     
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  7. Tomnnn

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    Uber would cost me $20 to travel 8 miles. Maybe it's just more expensive in my area.

    Oh. My government (le America) doesn't take care of its people. The progressive democrats might like to, I'm sure Bernie Sanders would like to, but conservatives and republicans here have that slogan stuck to them, "Don't get sick. And if you do, die quickly."

    I think we're at 730 billion haha. What do we need that kind of budget for? What do we need that kind of power for? Who knows. I think we can all agree that money would be better spent on Unity.

    @BoredMormon I'm incompetent with networking and recommend that you download the 2dshooter from the multiplayer sample thread. It shows some rather complex movements being synced over a network and I plan to tear that apart moving forward to learn how to UNet. Or if you'd rather wait, I'm of course willing to share the result of turning their code into a single scene project that is simplified and organized.
     
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  8. Kiwasi

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    Aren't you just the voice of sanity these days? I've lost count of how many threads you've pulled back to a topic. Working has changed you ;)

    I seen to be getting through networking reasonably well. My big issue is I'm working on a project that wasn't designed with networking in mind, so there is a lot if hack and slash work.

    But ultimately the basic principles are not all that different to building a PLC network with muilltiple HMI displays. The displays (ie clients) don't actually do anything. They just show what's happening on the server and report bak to the server. The server does everything material.
     
  9. Tomnnn

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    Working has given higher priority to the persona that remains focused :D I work before work, I work through lunch, I work during the smash breaks, I work when I get home and I work on the weekends. I MUST LEARN NETWORKING!! I'm struggling though. Like... really badly. I hope that dissecting the shooter demo will put me on track for having things in sync and not jitter every couple seconds.

    I imagine UNet is making that easier to accomplish.

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  10. Kiwasi

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    If I was working from scratch this is how I would build it. Realise I'm still just as new at this as you. The main objectives of PLC networking (high reliability) are different from the main objectives of game networking (high responsiveness). There are some things I'm doing that may not work.

    Each of the client would be graphics and input only. Strip off all of the code that is not related to one of these two things. All of the input goes onto the player prefab, and can be sent to the server using commands. You could also think of this in terms of MVC, with the client doing the job of the view, and the player prefab doing the job of the controller.

    All of the logic goes on the server. Unity complicates this somewhat by allowing the server to be a client at the same time. But the general idea is that anything relevant to the actual flow of your game gets calculated here.

    This diagram here has been the most useful to me in terms of game structure. http://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/UNetActions.html
     
  11. goat

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    When I get by quit well on $17 a day in the USA then I know $6 a job, not a day, is doing people in those poor countries quite well. Still it sucks to know that even the skills you have aren't as marketable as your location and proximity to production. However, I knew that before such freelancing sites as I can count the number of operating systems, scripting and programming languages, and various APIs and SW packages on the hand and feet of the people I work with and think they still might not have enough fingers and toes.

    However, in western Europe I know $17 isn't going to work but I also know the western European welfare systems got people from all over the world trying to get on their welfare rolls. It's the same in Anglo-America. Or was, now a lot are going back to their homelands because economically it's not wise to tie yourself to a system that encourages consumer debt. It's a shell game though because those that can afford to escape their 3rd world countries don't need to escape their 3rd world countries as they are invariably worse off financially in the expensive industrialized countries. 30 year mortgage anyone? $25K for a car every 5 years? Excessively high apartment and home rents? Hours spent in commute?

    Those poor people in shanty towns that can't afford to leave are a problem of the 3rd world governments developing nuclear bombs, buying weapons, and not developing humane living conditions for the overabundance of people that modern medicine and modern food production has enabled. Really, know what type of money, technology, and natural resources go into building a nuclear bomb? Compare that to growing bamboo or re-engining homes and buildings to disaster proof them using modern material engineering of the sort that makes those neat-o cool tablets you have. Kevlar, carbon fibre, bamboo, and all this explosion of modern computing technology and yet home are still build with bricks, cinder blocks, wood and you don't even hear talk of engineering the design and building of them to make them more durable, cheaper, and safer.

    I'll be 1st to tell you that in USA in my area and most areas most of the new work is government sponsored in an attempt to decentralize work production and lower unemployment because manufacturing was all but pushed out the door by Democrats eager to get rid of environmental pollution and Republicans eager to increase profitability for 401K and Wall Street. Lovely for the countries that got those jobs but in US it is productivity disaster and they now rely on cooking the books and overprinting of money to keep the economy afloat and they won't be able to stop it, they'll have to rely instead on corporations paying far too much for each other in buy outs as a way to gratify egos of the very rich. One of the most obvious ways to create local jobs that stick around is to create public transportation jobs such as tram drivers and individuals to service solar energy installations in individual homes and so on as well as make it more affordable to make less money.

    Frankly, it's time people stopped blaming industrial countries for the problems of the 3rd world. It alway takes two in those 3rd world resource robbing accusations and to try and cop out the 3rd world leaders and pin the blame on the industrial leaders for political gain is supporting the abuse of those 3rd world leaders. No thanks. I have watched too many third world 'leaders' come visit a famous European country known for their bank secrecy but never once did I see Bills Gates, Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet, or any of those industrial types visit banks to hide anything there.

    LMAO, when I die, you can bet I want to die quickly and painlessly, so quickly and painlessly it will take a coroner to investigate what the sickness was. Why doesn't anybody recognize wisdom when it's slapping you in the face?
     
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  12. Tomnnn

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    I'll just have to learn by reading through their examples. They have things synced pretty well. That's all I want ._. The game I'm making is soooooo simple... but there is rampant desync in all 13 of my attempts lol