I am just 13. Can anyone dare to take me in a commercial job.

I am just 13. Using Unity over a year now. I want to ask if someone is willing take me in his commercial game. Not a AAA job where we deal with millions of dollars, but a free type of job. Collabrotation would be a better word. .

 

Have a look at the collaboration section. There seem to be a lot of people looking for other:
http://forum.unity3d.com/forums/collaboration.17/

 

I know about it . I meant that people wont allow me to help them if the got to know I am just 13.

 

IANAL, repeat, not a lawyer: Additionally, in the US at least, you would not be able to work on a commercial game as you cannot legally sign a contract. Beyond the necessity of your parent(s)/guardian(s) needing to enter into the contract instead of you, you may violate some labor laws being under both 18 and 16.

 

Will that even apply if I want to work myself? BTW I live in India. These legal issues are out of the brains of teens

 

Any contract will have to be co-signed by an adult, which is a large legal deployment on them. Basically, if you don't fulfilled the contract, they sue the co-signer. So be careful and make sure they know what they're doing before you get them to blindly sign it.

You will also have to satisfy your countries legal work age. Here in the USA if you're under 16 you're only option is to be 15 and gain a work permit.

I am not aware of India's workforce laws.

 

HEY I'm 14, I started developement at 11, I don't think anyone will let you work with them but instead, do like I did, online jobs on Fiverr.

 

So basically my parents can take the contract as their own and I can do the rest of the work. Do it also applies if I want to publish something online like on Google Play store. I recently created a account on it and hearing it I am a bit scared as in India $25 are not less

 

Thanks I'll check that out

 

Yeah, the currency rates here is bad too, try the Amazon market, I heard it's good and Free. I'm trying to make money through Fiverr to "promote my self" xD to the Google Play Store

 

I went a hard core and spent my collected money to create a account to publish my game (which is not even made). Another problem in India is banks. I needed to create 2 accounts because Google Wallet did not accepted my PNB Debit card.

 

well, I'm also suffering from credit cards and bank accounts. Good luck with your project, contact me if you need any help

 

Thanks, and for the card and bank issues, I highly recommend you to create an Axis Bank account, and specially request
them a international debit card. It was very smooth for me using it. Good Luck

 

This is the internet. There is no strict requirement to actually declare your age. Deal with clients through email and nobody needs to know.

 

When I was 19, I was managing 6 guys full time doing websites at a major advertising agency and making way, way more money than a 19 year old has any business making. Nobody knew my actual age (subcontracting). The biggest problem was having to risk getting carded going to company events at bars (I was terrified of this)

As @BoredMormon says, age is just a number. If you can put up results, most people won't care.

 

Be super careful with some of the advice given here.
Note, I am also not a lawyer, but an agreement made even via internet discussions can be legally binding, though being under-age makes this an illegal process in many countries.
If a company you work for gets caught using your services and that is unlawful where they work, they face prosecution, and in turn, you may do too.
Not saying don't do it, but hiding your age is not a great idea.
My advice is be open about everything, you won't get in trouble provided you are truthful, but if you hide important information, problems can arise.

 

that's why I told him to forget company, work with normal people.

 

Yeah, that's fine. And to be fair if it's like $5 no-one will care anyway, I just thought it necessary to point out that age is definitely important, even when online.

 

Age may be just a number but legal risks are there. How would you feel if you made games & stuff, put them on google or other app stores then found those stores withheld money because they had some fine print in their agreement that you had to be over 18 to sell products there? Be smart, getting experience is a great thing so look for collaboration as was suggested but it would be safer for you & the prospective employers if it was non commercial (more like work experience rather than an actual job)

 

This actually happened to me . I made a publisher account for $25 (A big Number here) and afterwords I realized that I need to be 18 to make a merchant account. . I tried to change my age above 18 but I could not manage to do it. After being depressed for 3 hours, while going to sleep I got and idea. I entered my age as 17 years 361 days and next day I was 18 yeah!!!!

 

*Hats off*, BEST IDEA EVER. It would be good if work together sometime.
Here are some of my projects:
http://imgur.com/a/SCWgn#0
http://imgur.com/a/OTOTX#0

 

Actually, if you lied you broke the legal agreement with that company so you breached the contract so they could take action if they decided to. Then in a few years when you apply for jobs you may have to admit to having had legal issues, or you lie about that & then risk getting caught by your new employer. Still, it's your life & your risk, but having worked in high security industries & lesser industries where they still check stuff like that, it's instant dismissal & possible legal action to lie in application forms & if you're honest up front they applaud your honesty but then say they can't employ you because of it.

It may be the internet so you can say anything, but it also means people can find anything. If they start turning up contradictory information about you they will err on the side of caution. Who will employ someone that signs a NDA if they know that person has previously lied when completing other legal agreements?

 

You know what would have been a better way to go about this? Have your guardians create the account and sell the game for you rather than you try to bypass the system. You better hope Google does not catch on that you're under-age.

 

I would have done that, but by the time I realized that I had already paid. And as I said $25 is a big number in India

 

If they catch on that you're under-age, they'll most likely suspend your account. You'll be out the $25 then too. Not to mention I'm fairly certain you'll be out any money from potential sales too. It's a bit hard to really find any real concrete statements in the Google Merchant Help pages aside from the suspension part.

 

In fairness my advice wasn't to lie, simply to not bring it up. Entering a contract with false details, like lying about your age on an ap store form, is a bad idea. The other party can legally withhold payment, amongst other things.

 

The brutal world

 

Anyways I still haven't created a merchant account. And I think that the publisher account has a minimum age of 13 so I am safe now

 

Wait til you pay taxes (if you earn enough now you may still have to pay it despite being 13), then you'll learn just how brutal it can be

 

Why you want to go commercial?

Unless you really want to earn at this age, I think it's better not to be associated with commercial works and jobs(atleast not now I think).

I am also in same state as you, a teen from India, and I am using unity for about 2 yrs from now. I also thought about being commercial once, but I think it's better to stay non-commercial. I currently create games as a Hobbyist (not Indie, "HOBBYIST"). Moreover, you don't have to take stress of commercial works and you can work as you want, make your games free and let players enjoy it. After all, personally I find players comments more valuable than money.

Still, if you want to go commercial and sell your games then you will have to spend money first, like greenlight in steam, dev. registration in play store, etc. and look to lots of legal work there, from which I find better to stay away from.

 

1- everyone wants to make a couple of bucks.
2- I'm currently helping people online through facebook. I think you can consider that as commercial. Anyways, there is a great amount of stress. So, I agree with you
3- I might recommend anyone to make zero-budget games and start with small markets such as: the Amazon app store. That way if you go on a big gamble with your own game (that you invested in), you lose only the money you made, not you personal money.

 

They don't have to know that.

 

I would be honest and tell people you intend to work with that you are 13. There's a lot of people out there with high expectations and short tempers, and it's best for them to know up front that you're young.

As for the US, I don't know what the child labor laws are now, but a long time ago when I was age 10-13 I was working, and I think it's a great idea for kids to be able to work part time. Kids want money and work experience, and - with some safety limitations - they should be able to get it. I think computer gaming is potentially a great field for kids with that aptitude and inclination, and especially kids from countries where wages are low, as it can be a way to break out.

 

I think its great that you have the drive to want to do this. When I was 13, I didn't have the internet, and people like me were just computer geeks that spent too much time in the basement.

At our company, we just hired a kid who started as an intern at 17. He got to be an intern because he wrote a few windows store apps and relentlessly pestered my boss for a job. My boss said "OK, we use mvc and sql server, and c#, learn some stuff about that and we'll talk". He went and did every tutorial on the asp.net site prepared a demo webapp and presented it to my boss. He's 18 now and working as a full time programmer.

13 is obviously a little young, but you are taking the right steps and are to be congratulated. I would personally volunteer to mentor you, but I don't have the time to do so at this time. Just keep going, keep learning, and keep asking people if you can help. Keep writing code and coming up with examples of your skill, and keep presenting those examples for others to see. People will take you seriously, but you have to make them believe that you should be taken seriously.

1) What are your skills? Based on your idle engine, I'm guessing that you're into coding.
2) What type of game do you want to make and/or help make?

 

Yeah I am programming for about a year now. Started with Action Script 3 (which I never understood) to Unity (JS) and then to C#.
2. I don't have any serious idea. I do whatever I want to. Mostly I almost complete the game, but when it comes to art/design I get bored and leave it. I have successfully coded 4-5 small games by now

 

I would be happy too . Contact me of you ever want. I'll do the same

 

Who would got to know actually. I can just change the details yo my mom's dad's one and it's done. If someone caught I can just say that it was my mom's/dad's/brother's.

 

You're forgetting the audit trail that will show it was your details then your parents. If they wanted they could say it raised enough suspicion & you would have to legally prove your case which you obviously couldn't do. Take it from someone that has seen a family member ruin a career plan based on 7 years of university to get multiple degrees & a masters & then not get the job that they'd been told they'd get - if you lie once on anything remotely legal you are screwed for life.

 

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Google were to simply suspend the account and wait to verify whether it was legit or not when you request it be reinstated. Not to mention @tedthebug raises a valid point. Changing the details won't completely hide anything as they will keep past records on the account and can simply check those.

 

Fortunately that is a business specific ID with no specific person's details. .

 

#mormoncrime

Anyway, locking this. It's not the stuff we're here for. If it's illegal then we don't want to know.