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Discussion in 'Project Tiny' started by sniffle63, Jun 28, 2019.
Hey guys, started a series on how to make Snake with Project Tiny if anyone's interested
Nice work, looking forward to your next videos.
It does highlight how clunky working with Tiny is at the moment though, e.g. We should be able to make components, entities and config data in the editor.
Also will Tiny be runnable in the Editor in the future?
Cool second video great work.
The thing is again how clunky DOTS and Tiny are, having to load a scene to add a segments of the snake.
Needing to cycle through all the entities to find the last segments and move it forward, when a good collection system should let you remove the last element and move it to the first position e.g. List.
All of the code needed to find config data, have you considered using the singleton pattern to directly access this data?
This is the boilerplate problem with DOTS you end up having to jump through hoops to do simple/solved things we used to take for granted.
This is great and thank you for the feedback!
Sorry its taken so long to reply! It was my birthday this past weekend and with 4th of July iv been busy!
But yes i agree, at the moment Project Tiny can be tedious and clunky. (Especially with how you have to reopen the DOTS project every time you create a new script).
You can create entity's with the EntityManager, but i was unable to assign a sprite to the sprite2D renderer for some reason. So i used scenes instead, i also believe they are working on prefabs, so its a 'for now' workflow.
Also, there may be a way to better do the tail movement, but as of now i couldnt find a way to rearrange the segments in the DynamicBuffer. It may be possible, but id assume it would mess up the memory chunking of the buffer. (In the TypeScript version i used an array and just poped and inserted the tail segments, but the segments were stored in the system and not on the Entity component)
They also said the editor version of creating components is being worked on currently.
But keep in mind that we are programming in a DOTS approach, so some things will be more complex to achieve then what we would be use too, but the extra complexity comes with the performance and file size benefits
Also i feel i should say, i really like how separated it is from the unity editor. I suppose it would be nice to see the game running within the editor for easier debugging, but the ability to build and run the game from the IDE is AMAZING to me
Thank you for your videos, they are very informative! Are you planning to upload this to facebook instant too? Any idea if it would be possible?
Its for sure possible, i didnt have plans for making this game usable with facebook instant.
But im sure its not much different then the TypeScript way of uploading to instant, which i already have a video on.
Heres the last planned video in this series! Ill probably wait for the next update where the inspector is being completely changed and they are going away from an Entity DOTS editor and are moving back to normal unity GameObject editor before i make more videos tho, because its looking like this series might be pretty obsolete once the update comes.
Then after it comes, apparently they are eventually switching back to the Entity editor or something, idk its seeming kinda ridiculous, so i probably will stray away from Unity Tiny for a while
Heres the new video tho
Tiny might be in too early stages to make tutorials. I am waiting a few more months too, but I am looking forward to see your tutorials once the core is a bit more stable.
For sure, i had every intentions of having to redo a lot of the videos and knew they would only be relevant for a short period of time. I wasn't expecting them to ditch the editor and go back to GameObjects tho, and im not really sure how much thats going to change the way the programming is done. I asked in the forum post about what that means for how we are programming in tiny currently, but i didn't get an answer.
So i guess it really depends on how long we are going to be stuck with the temporary GameObject inspector/editor, and how much that changes how we interact with entities through code.
I would really like for you to do some tutorials of this style (maybe even the same tutorials) on non-tiny ECS. These tutorials are great but I think more users would find normal ECS over tiny+ECS useful right now
Iv actually been considering that, and will most likely be doing it.
Also i really appreciate the comment!
All the boilerplate required to use hybrid ECS in Unity is really disheartening to me, I really prefer the new ECS-specific UI and approach used by Tiny.
Great video tuts by the way, congratz. I've been following and had plenty of trouble myself (only 2019.2b3 works well, couldn't get the project to build from Rider no matter what, could only build from Unity using the Web(AsmJS) preset, etc), nothing unexpected from an experimental feature. Still, it's really good to have a tutorial to follow instead of walking around totally blind. Thanks!