Hatred on greenlight!... and then pulled by Valve

Hate, gore and torture porn. How to make money in the game industry without making a game.

 

This whole thing is a tinkerbell, and I for one don't believe in fairies.

Translation: Things like this only exist because we choose to acknowledge it.

 

After Gabe Newell investigated why it was pulled, he apologised and put it back on Steam. Artistic freedom shall live on

http://www.vg247.com/2014/12/17/gabe-newell-apologises-for-pulling-hatred-from-steam-greenlight/

 

I was simply acknowledging a well played Simpsons reference.

 

Yeah although you'd be entirely blind to call it artistic freedom over exploitative schlock.

Specially since the developers admit it is.

 

As much as the game is schlock, the other party in this is Valve. Their track record is to not give a S*** about quality control, and will happily sell you something that is completely broken without refunds. So far they have shown their intent to be laissez faire, so why should they be any different here?

 

I don't understand why all the hate for this game. I think it's interesting because it takes video game violence and strips away the fancy justifications for it. Watching the trailer is pretty shocking, especially hearing the victims suffer and plead for their lives. But if you're going to kill someone in a video game, perhaps it should be more shocking then just pushing a button and watching some shiny flashy points and a jingle erupt from the corpse.

With the exception of the S*** writing/voice-narration, anyone who looks at this (especially a game developer) who says it's poorly done just isn't being honest with themselves, and is letting their political bias cloud their opinion. The game looks really polished so far and the creative decisions they've made create a distinct mood and game world.

Is it exploitive? maybe. Is it just too raw? maybe. Is it hard to justify on an "is entertainment" level? maybe. Does it make me want to play? not really.

Do I think the game developers are glorifying violence? yeah, but take a look around.

Does it make me want to go out and kill someone? nope.

 

Because the fancy justifications are important, or else everything would be end of days anarchy. Animals would kill indiscriminately, children would be murdered at a whim and so forth.

Like it or not, there's justification for violence, and that justification is incredibly important to all life as we know it. It's a natural result of evolution to require justification for violence.

People who get thrills from unjustified violence are probably borderline mentally ill, or more accurately - broken.

Justification is important in evolutionary terms because to engage in violence is typically a life-threatening risk for both parties. If we look at nature for answers we see that animals generally do not fight their own species to the death. It's a last resort. It has to be justified in a big way - ie protecting the young, the pack or whatever.

Granted, some species kill other species indiscriminately (foxes in a henhouse) but not their own, simply because they've evolved to require absolute justification for doing so.

And that explains why there's a lot of hate for the game. It goes against our evolved behaviour.

 

I go with the borderline mentally ill, psychopathic and having serious issues. These types want to infect everybody else. Psychopaths do not understand real humans. They deem us weak..Yet it takes strength to not follow through on impulses that psychopaths have no issues playing out. Humans are the fridge door and they will go through them with an axe ti get a snack. These are simply training modules for them and inculcation training camps.Society is sick. It needs curing and glorification of the debasement of human life and innocent victims just piles the disease ever higher. The news of the world looks like the psychopaths who have taken control of congress, the EU and the UN are trying to get a hot war going with Russia. This game is not about artistic expression. Those who say it is are not dedicated artisans but only fancy themselves as such. It is not a game. It is a killing simulation.

 

Not as broken as people who talk about video game violence as if it were real violence.

 

That is a prime violation of USDA hogwashing regulations. This gambit won't float sonny boy. Digital porn ain't real sex but it will cause a raging throbber in those addicted to it. explain that using your paradigm. heh.. You will be trapped in a corner of your own painting. You want to play trollmeister?? Go for it buddy.

 

The discussion is the reception of Hatred to people and the media, as stated in the OP and derailed as you go further down the page.

@ippdev I also dislike rap, but that's a personal preference. But why prevent culture from becoming trash? Don't you see the advantage you're giving your future offspring? Raise them right, and their surroundings will be mere stepping stones to success

Lord Gaben pulls through :') I'm excited to see the consumer decide.

Art that isn't genuine... it happens, but we let everyone else do it, so why not these folks?

@chingwa it took more than a page for someone to state this viewpoint? Where were you when I needed you on the first page D: lol, nice read. I stated the writing and camera as my reason for calling it poorly done

@hippocoder sharks have stood the test of time on this earth, yet they do indiscriminately kill each other. The mother even eats the offspring if they don't flee fast enough. Also, if the trolling community ever made good on a single threat, you'd have indiscriminate and random killings.

Maybe the interaction between electrons on their machines during violent gameplay goes too fast, and causes them ear pain?

This was discussed already. The most violent games can do are cause disgust or adrenaline. The porn industry since its conception has heavily altered events that take place in the bedroom for people who have seen them. The same has not been true for mass murder films. The same applies to books and video games. Romance novels probably more often than not will inspire someone to try something new. Kite runner definitely will not inspire you to go out and rape someone. The Doom novel didn't inspire me to buy a shotgun and murder NASA scientists to stop them from opening the gates of hell on Mars - nor did the Doom 3 video game.

I've probably played every violent video game ever growing up, and it hasn't affected me at all. Even people who play hatred should take note of his opening statement, in which he admits that his actions are going to get him killed.

 

@Tomnnn - well we must be drinking the same kool-aid because I was going to reply the exact same thing, except with bears.

 

Bears also do this? No, fuzzy things can't be evil!

I'd also like this discussion to go on, so now that there are some people who are in support of Gabe Newell's decision, I'd like to remind everyone here to keep the friction minimal and the discussion objective, lest the mods find reason to close this thread for us being uncivilized.

i'll edit the original post to reflect the good works of Gaben.

 

Animals have more sense of co-species cooperation than some posting to this thread.

None of these killing sims have any of the victims able to fight back with a concealed carry. It is pure glorification of violence. I want to live on another planet next go around. This place is hi tech and low life. The animals have more social sensibilities than many so monikered humans. The arguments above amount to so much obfuscation and hogwash and are definitive at their least harmful of an immature mentality and absolutely no worldly experience or study. Electrons getting ear pain. Gimme a frkkin' break. The soaring intellect crashed nose first into the dirtpile.

 

Re sharks, bears etc:

It's not indiscriminate, there's rules. And that little point was already covered when I mentioned foxes. There are exceptions, but not for our species. So... no.

You guys *really* ought to learn why they do it, and the rules behind this behaviour, instead of just throwing it out there because you enforce my point.

In any case, regarding our species, unjustified violence isn't acceptable, and this is the cause for people disliking this game.

 

People who get thrills from justified violence are just as ill and broken. To say violence under one pretense is good and wholesome while another pretense is evil is half-baked. If a person kills in self-defense, but starts dancing for joy around the corpse, I'm willing to bet you would think that person was a monster regardless of the pretense of the conflict. People who get off on violence don't typically care about the context.

 

Sure it hasn't.

 

Well said. I hate real world violence, but I have a plethora of reasons to love digital violence. Maybe that just comes with experience in the field. The dancing for joy bit is very accurate. When people don't "act correctly" after certain events happen, people get suspicious of them.

@ippdev that joke about electrons and ear pain is the most video games will ever hurt someone until the sword art online following invents that death helmet to make hardcore game deaths kill you.

I'm probably a unique case because that stuff never bothered me from the start, but I have some rather excitable friends who also grew up with violent games and it has yet to spill over into their real life, save for conversation about said gaming experience.

@hippocoder Hatred exists, so the behavior is conceivable. But you make a good point, it's unrealistic and stupid. That was one of my points from the start, Hatred should exist controversy free because it's about as serious as dungeons and dragons. ippdev brought up a similar point about none of those civilians being armed or fighting back at all. It's simply unrealistic, there is no controversy.

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http://www.pcgamer.com/hatred-reinstated-on-steam-greenlight/

The opening statement in this article is exactly how I feel about Hatred.

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Wow, after reading that whole article, every point I was trying to make is on there lol. The goth simulator bit about the guy's monologue is exactly what I was going for xD

 

Sure, I agree with that. This is a social issue though, it has nothing to do with species evolution. Take away our tight-structured society and I bet day-to-day violence will become a common part of many people's lives.

As for bears, I can only speculate. Sure some bears kill other bears and other bear children under some form of "rule"... whether that's to insure there own genes over other bears, or simply because they're hungry. But I'm not discounting the possibility that there's a bear out there that's just an @$$hole who just kills because he/she is in a bad mood. Bears are animals. (and so are people, ultimately)

 

For example with the sharks. They produce an overabundance of offspring which would flood their ecosystem with consumers of their life resources if they all grew to maturity. The mother would eat those not fast enough to ensure that those that survive have the requisite speed and agility to produce to ensure successful propagation of their species and to ensure the successful ones had enough food to again ensure the survival of their genetics. The deer must be culled by hunters around here or they will be em,acted the next season as there is only so much food in the forests for them,. The bears as well have this issue and raid human garbage. I have had them haul off very heavy grabage cans into the woods for a half mile. When i do confront them..they walk a few paces away and just look at me like.. come on dude.. I just want a bite to eat. The indiscriminate killing of humans by psychopaths or the infected has no value to human offspring. For a real world example. If they manage to pull off the hot war with Russia that they are trying hard to do there will be no human life. There will be a nuclear winter, all electronics will be fried from the electromagnetic impulses of the detonations., Life as a human will be extremely hard and it will be cheap. You will be killed for your box of crackers, your sisters and girlfriends will be.. well..I think the drift of what I mean is there..

 

@ippdev and @hippocoder how did we even begin discussing animal behaviors? These are videogames - physics, morals, etc do not apply. I don't know what good it does relating video games to real life, I don't recall the chapter in US History where the nazi zombies invaded Russia.

Also, for what you say about human life post nuclear war & emp fried tech, that's true. But that's totally isolated from video game violence... and also, it's pretty much the plot of the fallout games. Real life certainly influences the content and subject matter of video games, but it does not go both ways.

With your proceeding replies, try not to go full-sarkeesian and state that video games present us with concepts of normalcy. I'm doing my best to keep this discussion both non hostile and on topic so hippcoder can't summon the community Rambo to close the thread lol, but I would totally lose it if someone went the sarkeesian route. What concepts of normalcy are presented in <insert any of millions of game titles> ? That is my pre-response to any of that nonsense that might make it into this topic while I'm away.

 

Aaahh.. But humans evolved into the hi tech species today because of social cooperation. It is the rare human that can survive more than a month in the wilderness and that is with things gotten from the techniques and tools derived from our co-species cooperation. All "wild" humans exist as groups and tribes. They are nowhere found as a singular individual on a long term basis. There may be solos but they came from indigenous tribes of the region.

The number of animal attacks and bizarre ones like beavers ripping a thigh artery open that cam outta nowhere and killed a man and rams trying to head butt their way into a house and had to be killed with a rifle and other such anomalies. i think they may be getting tired of us as a virus and deem that their survival depends on eliminating us.

 

Comparing digital porn to digital violence is either wrongheaded, or says more about the person doing the comparison than it does the fans of violent video games. Porn is arousing because people watch it to be aroused, that's its purpose. Porn is arousing because everyone wants to have sex. In order for the same to be true of people who may enjoy Hatred, the game's purpose would have to be to titillate instead of shock. The people playing would have to actually want to kill. If that describes you, and it has to in order to think the two are equivalent, then yes, you probably shouldn't play Hatred. But don't project your own dark nature on to everyone else.

I stated in another thread that I enjoy writing as a hobby. To create compelling stories, you have to have compelling bad guys. To write convincing bad guys, you have to get inside their head, to think like they do. It's fun to do that precisely because it's the opposite of who I am. To claim enjoying writing those characters, or existing as them in my head makes me immoral is to claim that Anthony Hopkins and Thomas Harris actually want to eat people, that Robert Englund and Wes Craven really want to kill people in their sleep, that every woman who has ever had a rape fantasy actually wants to be raped. All of those claims are well beyond the point of absurdity. As is the claim that anyone playing violent video games actually wants to do those things.

Most of us are capable of stepping into the minds of someone that is not us and exploring their world without ever wanting to be them. It's about learning how people other than us think, even the most evil of us. It's an exploration of the totality of the human existence instead of our own limited perception of it. The lack of that ability is far more frightening to me than the ability itself. Because the lack of that ability makes one ill equipped to not only handle their own emotional extremes, but to understand the actions of others. That type of mentality leads to not only thinking that mass murder is wrong (as we all do, regardless of what you may think of Hatred fans), but to more mundane things like thinking that a form of music shouldn't exist simply because you don't enjoy it, that certain sex acts shouldn't be performed because you don't enjoy them. It is a huge net loss for society for anyone to be so incapable of stepping outside of who they are.

 

@Tomnnn The cultural products of a society cannot be divorced from the society itself. I am 57. I had much the same attitude when younger as you but my eyes have opened by a study of real history and especially things like an in depth study of the MK ULTRA programs and propaganda and how they use imagery and such to brainwash and control. A societies culture is guided by the artists. Note that if you study the Rennaissance masters that they began with certain styles, became popular and then were conscripted by Popes and Kings to aggrandize them as these hierarchical leaders knew the power of the arts in shaping culture and wanted that paint brush and carving chisel and mallet working for them. These games do the recruiting work for the military-industrial complex which are offshoots of secret societies who want to enslave the world's populace. If culture had flowed from the 60's without the insertion of psyops and films funded by the CIA and paradigms like disco and rap would they so easily be able to drag the populace into war after bloody war. This is not terrorism currently but organized crime and they have no holds barred to fill their coffers. I do not wish to assist them in any manner and the way to begin is with changing minds. If they are twitched and adrenalated and desensitized to violence as a youth they more easily can be preyed upon and used as cannon fodder. My wish.. that people were awake to the subtle manipulations and not buy into their propaganda and psyops.

 

Let me just say.. More hogwash and you twist the analogy for your own arguments sake. You speak of understanding other mindsets. I do and I see that these are a tool for those who do not have our/human societies best outlook in mind. The rest of your commentary is unworthy of my commentary due to the premise and I won;t be dragged down the dark and dead end alley you are attempting to pull me to. I despise movies that glamorize serial killers. I have known and came up against two in my life. Richard Ramirez and another from my neighborhood in Atlanta who when he realized i figured him out came to my house and tried to enter with a machete and chop me to pieces with my 10 month old in the kitchen and the cops came and arrested him and he had court orders to stay at least 1000 yards away from me and not use any military gear or have it in his possession. The second one probably loved Silence Of the Lambs. I know he loved shoot em ups and had a military obstacle course in the woods close by.. One day he came and told me that he found an arm by where he was growing a pot plant. i suggested that if it didn't have claw or teeth marks it was not dragged there. He came back and told me the body was stuffed in a tree above his plant.. that was the fourth body he found. I called homicide on him but they did nothing. He killed after that and i confronted him twice more and after one in front of cops he split and became a diver. i hope he got squid raped and dragged to the depths. He carried one of his victims knuckle bones and grave dust around in a cane and got his kicks making girls squeamish showing it to them.

 

where are we? I thought we were talking about a video game?

 

No, I think we're talking about how much ippdev hates people and also hates Hatred because it makes people hate people, or something like that. Also he hates rap and the Illuminati. The thread is about Hatred so I was following along thinking it was on track, but yeah I guess you have a point.

 

Maybe when I'm your age videogaming will have been around long enough for this to have happen at least once

I've tried multiple times to bring this back to the original topic lol. At least when you derail the topic, it's not vitriolic.

@HemiMG Porn / sex and the like get mentioned when Ony enters a thread. It was a good point to bring up because that's 1 area where digital / unreal platforms influence the real world, but as you (and me on the first page) stated it is a unique case.

 

Lol!

Just for the record, for anyone reading this far, when I brought up porn it was as a joke to Tomnnn. I wasn't in any way trying to say that because porn makes people horny it would follow that violent games make people violent.

My thoughts about that are... people are essentially good. When we consume media that appeals to the side of us that understands pleasure, that media may have a positive physical and mental effect. Watching a romance or comedy movie might make us feel really good, and that translates into our life. Who sees a comedy movie and walks away grumbling about hating everyone? Not many people (ippdev excepted).

Good feelings in media make us feel good (including sex for those who find it pleasurable). Rarely has a non-violent movie or game made someone feel anger due to its content. So positive media tends to influence us, because... it's my belief... we are essentially good, and little pushes in the right direction can make us physically act on that good. Because it's in our nature, and no one gets hurt, and everyone's happy.

Violent video games and movies? I don't believe that they make people go do bad things. Science says that's just not the case. Now, that could be proven wrong eventually, but for what we know currently, that's how it is. They don't affect us to get up in a physical way to do physically bad things to people. I do, however, believe that they may affect us mentally.

Surrounding ourselves with a celebration of violence on a constant basis might have an effect. It might make us less inclined to shy away from violence. It might. It might make us develop an angry attitude. A depressed attitude. An attitude that people suck. That life is dangerous. That we are garbage. That certain groups of people deserve to die. But we wouldn't act on it! Oh, no, we know better than that. Most of us aren't going to go out and murder someone, and no game is going to make us do it. But do they make us want to? That is a question that remains to be answered.

So we have positive media that can indeed have a positive effect on society. It makes us feel good, and in return we act good to others. And they in turn act good to us. Negative media has no such effect. Violent video games, to the best of my knowledge, do not make people want to go out and hug their neighbors.

Do we love violence? Obviously we do. I do. I love horror movies, the more disturbing the better, and I run over people with abandon in GTAV every chance I get. Why? I have no idea. You tell me. I'm know there are a few of you here who'd love to chime in and call me human scum, call me part of the problem. Maybe I am. Go ahead and throw the first stone.

 

Even porn has limits where fantasy doesn't become reality though. If some female hentai tentacle monster came at me, I'd be running for the hills, not running for the lube. I don't watch hentai, so maybe I'm not a prime example, but I'd imagine people who are turned on by that sort of thing would react in much the same way. Maybe I'm just a prude, but even the normal real human on real human stuff has plenty of things that I would watch but wouldn't want to replicate. The Kama Sutra is one thing, but lets leave doing Dallas to Debbie.

So even the reality that porn makes people horny, or makes them more sexually adventurous doesn't justify the concerns of its critics that watching it is going to turn everyone into promiscuous sex maniacs running around doing anything and everything to everybody without regard to their partner's own desires and limits.

 

Absolutely agree. Just as violent video games don't turn everyone into a raging murder machine.

* steering the ship back to Hatred and away from porn now...

 

@Ony a lot of people didn't catch the joke the first time, so I put you on the spot there so you could clarify this for the people who missed it on the first page

You do those things because when in Rome, you do as the Romans do. This is the same for video games, apparently lol

Thank you for keeping things on topic while I was away. So... anyone here going to buy Hatred? A few kids at class tonight said they want it because it captures the niche of "sandbox murder spree" which is apparently lacking in games lately.

 

I won't buy it because I don't particularly care for sandbox games. If there turns out to be much more a plot than we've been shown, then maybe I'd play it. But still probably not. The writing seems horrible. I don't have a problem with video game violence at all, but I need to know the character's motivations if I am going to get into it. This character's motivations seem to primarily be to make his creator money. The bad dialogue we've seen so far just doesn't seem like it would pull my out of my world and into his depraved world. ;-)

 

I could have really used an opinion like that on the first page, mr MG. I withstood flak without aid all the way until the second page! lol

So, I agree, of course. The game dialogue shown thus far is 6th grade goth poetry. But maybe the character will be consistently over the top, and eventually it'll get believable? I hope that every time you "complete" a special objective in one of the sandbox areas, we get to see a cutscene of a family member or friend getting murdered or something so at least we can get a handle on his motivation.

I also don't wanna ignite any controversy on this topic, but there's a strawpoll on the community page with 70% yes votes and 30% no votes for including children in the game, lol! But the developer already came out and said the game will not feature any children or actually edgy targets, just random people.

 

Haha. I was reading the thread back then, but I told myself I'd be a good boy and not get dragged into another discussion in a thread that was likely to get locked eventually.

I don't really need some in depth backstory from the beginning. Manhunt 2 was fine. You wake up in a mental hospital for the criminal insane and want to escape. So, you are criminally insane and people are in the way of your escape. Killing them is what a psychopath would do in that situation. In Hatred, the people don't seem to be standing in the way of any particular goal. So I need a believable reason for the psychopathic character to be behaving in a psychopathic way.

 

I guess I can't fault that logic, the first page was rough by myself. But the topic is stable now it just needs a point to continue on...

Mm, manhunt 2 was "too much" for steam and there is definitely a believable point there. Maybe that was the flaw, it was written well! You've got a character who would, in that situation in real life, probably commit the massacre that you get to. Hatred will either go on unrated or be rated M for blood & gore, not quite meeting the AO rating because of the dialogue that makes most of us giggle.

I think the guy's outfit tries to imply some kind of struggle / back story... but it's totally eclipsed by that over the top personality.

*The discussion topic is evolving! We're moving on from the reception of Hatred to the character traits of well written vs poorly written antagonists. The two hot titles to focus on are manhunt 2 and Hatred.

 

hmm this game is interesting.. in that it pushes what is acceptable..
the content, i do not like it at all, and it kind of scares me..
although, it is interesting, most games hide the reality of violence, but this game shows it..
but sadly, its tone feels more glorifying it...
recently, i played the game "red orchestra 2" and i was very interested to see that they show the horror of war, when the characters die, they screeam, and they yell "nooo! its not fair" "why did i come to this place" "noo brother!!" .. and the music is depressing, the tone is depressing.

.. I have felt the effects that playing violent media has had on me... i perceive the world to be more hostile than i otherwise would have.. but maybe its just me too and not really games.. my dad has always told me safety first, and stuff.. LOL when driving i make sure to leave space, and be conscious most the time where i could drive in case of a disturbance.. when walking, iam aware of what cover i may have.. (LOL im paranoid as hell.. but also, an interesting way of thinking i have heard of before says to commonly meditate on dying, so as to be able to protect oneself, to be prepared in many situations)
... but i think action movies more than violent games.. i watched action movies when i was like 6 .. but shooting games n64 when i was 12? .. violent sword games, like zelda, nes, snes when i was 5?

.. personally ive thought of making games because they are an interact-able art medium, they immerse the player, they are very popular, addictive, and influential... therefore i have perceived how games may be used as a "weapon" .. this is why i chose caocao to be my avatar.. (he was a military genius)

i have very much enjoyed the game Deus Ex, for artistically portraying the evil of technology and government.. and they talk about using non-lethal means, and saying that the bad guys are "just doing their job" .. you shouldnt kill them, find other ways to get past these "obstacles" .. and the bad guys become the good guys and good guys become bad guys

but moreso i realize i want to make creative games... like minecraft, i think is an absolute amazing thing.. because creation is the most potent, powerful power... more powerful than destruction.
.. i have moreso glorified the potential for using games as a "weapon" (against evil things) to instill values and morality, and for people to exercise creativity

i have been making a shooting game.. military based.. like many games (contrary to what i said above, but its like a learning, just for fun thing) , but after seeing this Hatred game.. it has seriously made me want to drop my current project, and seek a more creation based game
interestingly therefore, this "Hatred" game may be seen as a beneficial thing.. by being repulsive, it reinforces repulsion

 

Come on... don't say they didn't plan all this.

It was just another perfect popularity stunt.

 

It was far from perfect. They're just lucky the target audience was uhh... sensitive enough to take the bait. I can't think of a kind enough word to describe such people who can't see how over the top and fake the character is. I feel more threatened by janitors / clowns than that homed homeless man with the garage full of weapons nobody noticed. I guess this is the fate of nations that think open carrying a small army's worth of weapons is a more important right than everyone else's safety. Not to relate that to america or anything, but clearly the people in the game world were never bothered by the crazy looking guy with a garage more loaded than a police station.

@CaoMengde777 consider the success of saving private ryan & anime in general. horror and depression are a hot spot, it's just not frequently done well. Attack on Titan was so popular that 1 summer that it was translated and previewed in BOSTON!

 

How was it not perfect? Half the gaming news sites reported about it and the game is back on steam right after. It was all planned...

 

The reception went great, but a lot of people including some game sites called out just how poorly that main character is written. It's 6th grade goth poetry simulator 2014. They could have made a much more intimidating and believable character if they gave him no lines at all. I'd rather question the antagonist's motives and fear him rather than burst out laughing every time he opens his mouth / feel sorry for that town full of idiots who didn't see this coming from a guy dressed like a hobo who was stockpiling weapons in his garage.

By making such a ridiculous character and scenario, they mock both shootings, the victims of shootings and they outright insult human intelligence outside of *Texas.

*Texas - I'm sure someone open carrying several automatic weapons and a jacket full of explosives wouldn't alarm anyone in Texas.

 

Nice potshot with the dose of hatred and other ad hominem blitherfesting. DESPISE is not hate. You love shovel ware? That is the equivalent of rap. Being aware of things like the organized crime syndicates and their providence and history wreaking havoc is not hate. It is being aware for the sake of myself and my loved ones.. VeteransToday is filled with hate if that is your definition. But I see you got some of the haters to like you for your attack.. Good going. You want to troll me? That is not a wise decision. Ya' all are hating on me because I want a different cultural paradigm to prevail Hate on hypocrite/s. I could give a good goddamn. Ain't the first time I opened my mouth/typed and said/posted things made a bunch of uninformed clownage wriggle in their seats uncomfortably. This thread is not about a video game whether it is being portrayed as such or not. It is a massive troll pitting the devs with morals and ethics against die hard hate and gore and murder fans who value free speech..LOL..but will use troll tactics and insults to shut down opposing viewpoints.

 

You really need to stop hating on folks. What did the good people of Texas do to you? You will defend a psychopath but hate on someone who believes firearms are a tool and one that is quite necessary in a degenerate society and very, very useful when you live in the sticks.

 

Okie doke.

 

It's not hate. You made my point in the end of your response lol. I do believe, as do you (from the looks of it) that the people of Texas would not be alarmed at someone exercising their right to open carry several automatic weapons and explosives, because in America (Texas especially), they're viewed no differently than ordinary tools.

What psychopath did I defend? The developers of Hatred? They're more fake than American cheese. Gabe Newell for putting Hatred back on steam? Thou shalt not take the name of lord Gaben in vain!

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Forgot to answer the most important question there. What did Texas do to me? They tried to ban critical thinking from schools, but were too stupid to accomplish it.

Hi @Ony, welcome back to the thread. How's the holiday?

 

Thanks Tomnnn. The holiday so far is good but most of my time has been spent at my desk getting my latest game ready for release on (hopefully) Christmas day. So, a little stressed to be honest, but hanging in there and enjoying the small breaks I take with my family. I hope you're having a relaxing and happy time.

 

Relax? Hecks no! The end of one semester marks the beginning of the panic to scrap together $2000 for the one. It's going to be a long, sleepless mid december to mid january x_x

I made $10 yesterday by scouring through the job forum on this site and making an inventory system for someone. I've got ~30 days to make at least $1000 lol...

 

Well I hope you can make your goal. That would be a nice Christmas present!

 

hmm.. one thing that will make or break my opinion of this game...

they Better have it so that the main character dies really easily...

me and a buddy were playing gta5, and some mission we were dying alot and couldnt beat it, and we thought "LOL people thinks this makes people go do crimes... screw that!! if anything it makes people reconsider doing crimes!! you die so easily .. thats cool" .. i like hard games, it seems you die faster in gta5 than you did in like, GTA san andreas.

personally i like hardcore mode on like call of duty, 1-3 bullets and youre dead.. anything else is just toooo wussy.. this game obviously seems pretty .. "non-wussy" .. if its wussy style im gonna be pissed

otherwise, if they make it too easy, i feel the devs just want to breed chaos... and if so, they should face some sort of consequence..