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Gender in game mechanics

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Not_Sure, Mar 6, 2015.

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  1. Teila

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    Oh, we missed that one. Let's just say we did and not. lol
     
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  2. RockoDyne

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    How it feels has nothing to do with the actual mechanic though. Stealth games don't feel like shooters, even if all of their mechanics are shooter mechanics. It's just that their values have changed to emphasize a completely different style of play.
     
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  3. Tomnnn

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    Can we? It'd be rude if we didn't at this point. As a programmer with poor organization skills, I'm quite partial to the flying spaghetti monster, as he speaks to me through my spaghetti code.

    Unity forums fun for the whole family, confirmed. See what happens when you let us have fun, mods?

    Too late!
     
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  4. wetcircuit

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    I don't like things trying to kill me. It's annoying. o_O I like the first-person exploring and figuring out puzzle doors and physics strategy, but I don't feel I have done anything to deserve being killed.

    But the hidden picture games give me anxiety after the 5th round I am seriously feeling guilty about the clutter in my house. :eek:
     
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  5. Kiwasi

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    We are certainly getting close. I'm starting to wonder weather I've accidentally stumbled into a parallel dimension. I like the fact that the internet is being nice. But its making my spidey senses tingle. Its just not right. :)

    I seem to think that we covered that some pages ago. Maybe not. I'll see if we can drag it in. "My religion is better then yours! Neaner neaner" is the only way that comes to mind at the moment. But it doesn't really add much to the conversation, so I won't say it :).

    I've toyed with the idea of developing games targeted at people of specific religious beliefs. The Mormon faith is really too small to be a valid market at the moment, but conservative Christianity as a whole does seem like a valid target. I think the more successful way to tap this market would be to produce games that model the religious values of the audience, without overtly religious. I've seen it done in fiction before (Twilight).

    Then again, build an absolutely religious themed game that the pope tweets about playing? That should get you about 500 million downloads within the first 24 hours after the tweet.

    In terms of absolute marketing potential I think the Muslims could be a potentially huge market, and one that's largely unsaturated. And maybe while we are at it we can subtly programme them to avoid blowing up our American friends. Despite how I come across at times I don't think Americans deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth.

    (Worm opening level 5000)

    Edit: Okay, I couldn't hit the post button without a few disclaimers. I know ISIS and the like represent a small portion of the Muslim faith and are hardly representative. I also understand the religion is no more monolithic then Christianity. And I understand the pope is probably too old to be playing games on his iPhone.
     
  6. Teila

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    I asked some guy here on this thread to define masculinity and he never did. I guess we scared him away. :) Honestly, i think it means different things to different people, just like femininity does. That is why I won't answer his question without knowing what he meant.
     
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  7. Teila

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    Well, I am a Unitarian Universalist, so I can't add much to the conversation since I think everyone has a right to their own religious views as long as they don't try to convert me. :p
     
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  8. RockoDyne

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    Never play a King's Field games then (admittedly you probably won't since the last one came out on the ps2 in like 2002). They are pretty much adventure action-RPG's. KF: the Ancient City starts the game putting you on a path in which walking too far to the side can cause the path to crumble, dropping immediately into you into lava. The environment will kill you more times then the monsters.
     
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  9. Teila

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    Ack! I hate that. I tend to have environmental accidents in games all the time.
     
  10. Tomnnn

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    If you toss them a decent story, they'll worship it for 2000+ years. Zing.

    Yo momma was an environmental accident!

    *checks another item off the list*
     
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  11. Kiwasi

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    While converting other people is a significant part of my faith, I long ago realised the futility of trying to convert people on the internet forums. (An astute google could find some of those posts, but please don't, its kind of embarrassing).

    That said I'm more then happy to offer conversion services on a personal level if anyone messages me about it.

    That does sound like something we should have defined early on in this thread. Its hardly worth debating gender with out something other then the strict biological definition of X and Y chromosomes, hormone levels and body shapes. I'll give it a go. Someone else more masculine then me may be able to correct my definition. As usual this is totally coloured by my cultural biases.

    Masculinity is:
    • Raw physical power. Deep down inside we still are worried about that lion hiding just outside of the cave.
    • Control and dominance. Its about controlling the world, making it what you want it to be, rather then letting it happen to you.
    • Strength and resilience. Its about being able to deal with everything on your own. Asking for help is generally a sign of weakness. Offering someone help without their asking for it is an insult, as you are implying they are weak.
    • Logic above emotions. The deer doesn't care how you feel, just if you are smart enough to track him and bring him home to eat. You act because its the thing that needs to be done, not because of how you are feeling.
    That should do for now.
     
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  12. Kiwasi

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    Now if you can get a handle on the piracy issue, that some good residual revenue right there!
     
  13. Teila

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    I have known some really wonderful people who are Mormon. Back when I was an undergraduate geology student, I traveled with a couple of graduate students as a field assistant to Utah. While there, I did my own project on an ancient lake bed. We stayed with a wonderful sweet Mormon couple that treated us like family and fed us really good food. They never made us feel uncomfortable.

    Utah is an amazingly beautiful state with lots of geology. We spent some time in Canyonlands and Arches admiring the scenery. One thing I loved about that state were the small towns, all laid out the same exact way, and all with a 7-Eleven in the same place where would could get giant Big Gulps for our long dusty field work. :)
     
  14. Tomnnn

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    That's covered by the red skinned antagonist with horns. One of the several deadly sins is copyright infringement.
     
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  15. RockoDyne

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    So just plagiarize on the already plagiarized villain?
     
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  16. Tomnnn

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    There's evidence that it's a good strategy. The more illogical and over the top, the better! My protagonist will be Don Renaldo, and he gave was conceived from a badger with rabies that got freaky with a maple tree. Lore has it that he is human because of the nearby graves that provide nutrients to the tree. Here's a brief breakdown:

    -He is extremely buoyant, granting him the ability to float on water.
    -He has no arms, but he is the most respected carpenter in the lands.
    -During a full moon, he time travels into the future and steals candy from bad children.
    -During a half moon, he turns into a werebeaver, because his badger father is actually 1/16th turkey.
    -When there wasn't a moon, he took out his left eye and threw it into the night sky (that is actually where the moon comes from in this creation story).
    -Earth was brought here by cosmic gypsies who scammed it off of another galaxy.
    -On his death, he became mankind's fingernails, and that is why people have fingernails. When you rub your nails together, you can actually hear the sound it makes when people are crushed by trash compactors.

    Oh and when you die, you become fresh cheese to sustain the moon. The moon is made of cheese and is constantly crumbling away, yet the constant supply of human deaths rebuilds the moon throughout the month. This is why moon phases occur.
     
  17. R-Lindsay

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    Here is a table of Gender Stereotypes from http://psp.sagepub.com/content/26/10/1171
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    Dynamic stereotypes characterize social groups that are thought to have changed from the attributes they manifested in the past and even to continue to change in the future. According to social role theory’s assumption that the role behavior of group members shapes their stereotype, groups should have dynamic stereotypes to the extent that their typical social roles are perceived to change over time. Applied to men and women, this theory makes two predictions about perceived change: (a) perceivers should think that sex differences are eroding because of increasing similarity of the roles of men and women and (b) the female stereotype should be particularly dynamic because of greater change in the roles of women than of men. This theory was tested and confirmed in five experiments that examined perceptions of the roles and the personality, cognitive, and physical attributes of men and women of the past, present, and future.

    Also, is it worth going back and reading the last 7 pages of this thread?
     
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  18. Kiwasi

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    There are some good insights, especially if you are interested in transgender motivation and culture. Really depends how much time you have. The general theme over the last few pages has been how many controversial topics we can cover in one thread, while keeping it civil and avoiding a lock. We hit gender, race, gun control, politics, and a bunch of other stuff, and now we are on religion. Consider yourself informed on the last seven pages.
     
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  19. Tomnnn

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    An interesting portion of Ony's life story is a few pages back, definitely worth a read.

    That chart is hilarious. It must be the one people who direct commercials are using.
     
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    BRB reading Ony's life story...
    Thanks for the Readers Digest version. This has to be some kind of record right? The most amount of controversial topics in a single non-locked thread.
     
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    Anyone interested in computer science and transexualism should check out Lynn Conway's autobiography. If you haven't heard of her she helped develop the first superscalar computer for IBM in the 60s, personally invented dynamic instruction scheduling, and worked as a project manager for Xerox PARC, as well as cowriting the seminal text on VLSI chip design. Its a wall of text but a fascinating (to me) read.
    http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/RetrospectiveT.html
     
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  22. wetcircuit

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    I asked Mixamo to add a hijab to Fuse as a hair option. 1/4 of the world is muslim. Why am I "fixing" Mixamo? Why should I need to? Why isn't that obvious? 1/4 of the world and there is no appropriate costuming.

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  23. Kiwasi

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    Nice table. I might actually use that next time I need to build some stereo types. I wasn't too far off.
     
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    (bookmarked)
     
  25. Tomnnn

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    Maybe people were under the impression that somehow including muslim dress would be offensive to someone somehow. If they have a lot of american republican conservative christian customers, I can see adding hijabs as a major loss. Or who knows, maybe maximo is part of the illuminati and knows that in 2017, our republican president at the time will outlaw any and all representations of muslim culture.
     
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