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Official DOTS development status and next milestones - November 2022

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  1. LaurentGibert

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    Hello everybody, here is our Q4 update for the DOTS roadmap!

    What is DOTS?
    The goal of Unity’s Data-Oriented Technology Stack (DOTS) is to enable you to build more ambitious games with Unity and serve your needs in the production of complex multiplayer, crossplay, and open-world games.

    DOTS includes all the packages based on the Entity Component System (ECS) architecture. The notion of DOTS is often extended to include the Burst compiler and C# Job System, two technologies that have been created to support the development of ECS but are independent of it. The Burst compiler and the C# Job System can be used in any Unity project, regardless of whether ECS is being used.

    We also sat down with Jason Weimann to explain DOTS to a more general audience during the GameDevGuild 2022 conference.

    The road to using ECS in production
    About a year ago, we shared with you our short-term roadmap to focus on efforts to bring the Entities package to version 1.0, bringing the package from Experimental to Released status so that Entities and its compatible packages will be supported for production. Upon release, like any other Released feature of Unity, Entities and compatible packages’ APIs would remain stable for the duration of the Unity LTS cycle. Throughout 2022, we’ve met various milestones with many of you on the forums, collecting valuable feedback and learning about your early experiences with ECS for Unity.
    • In Q1 of 2022, we shared with you experimental Entities 0.50, compatible with 2020 LTS.
    • In Q2 of 2022, we shared with you experimental Entities 0.51, compatible with 2020 LTS and 2021 LTS.
    • In Q3 of 2022, we shared with you experimental Entities 1.0, compatible with 2022.2 Beta.
    During the year we invited a number of early adopters to bring their ECS production story to you to help you understand what it can enable for your game productions. So far this year we’ve had.
    • Ramen VR - Zenith: The Last City (March 2022): CTO Lauren Frazier explains how ECS helped them scale up their gameplay for managing a VR MMO game architecture.
    • Electric Square - Detonation Racing (March 2022): Lead Developer Jonas De Maeseneer covers the use of ECS for deterministic gameplay for QA and design loops, as well as streaming for a high-pace Apple Arcade racing game.
    • Stunlock Studios - V Rising (June 2022): In a 3h-long Twitch stream, lead developers Rasmus Höök and Fredrik Haraldsson presented their use of ECS, from worldbuilding in the editor with custom visual scripting to scalable open-world streaming.
    • Kasedo Games - IXION (August 2022): Technical Director Jérémy Guéry walks us through how ECS has powered heavy NPC simulation for their city builder in space.
    ECS for Unity 2022 is available and supported for production!
    The pre-release of ECS for Unity 2022 is now publicly available and can be installed via the package manager on Unity 2022.2 Tech Stream. The biggest difference between ECS for Unity 2022 and earlier experimental versions is that it’s fully supported for production across all platforms, including desktop mobile, consoles or VR headsets. This will enable creators to build more ambitious games while experiencing the same support for production on all platforms, the same as any other release feature of the Unity engine. ECS for Unity supported status means that users can:
    1. Raise bugs and problems via the Editor or Unity Hub
    2. Leverage Unity’s success plans to get more out of ECS
    Please note ECS for Unity 2022 will not be made compatible with earlier major versions of Unity.

    What’s new since the last experimental ECS for Unity 2022?
    In our last roadmap update, we shared various highlights of what we expect to be different between Experimental Entities 1.0, and the pre-release of ECS for Unity 2022. Here’s a quick recap on the latest developments of those issues:
    1. Documentation has been improved with the latest APIs and workflows: We know how important documentation is to the experience of ECS. So, we’ve significantly improved the documentation for the Entities package, including code samples to get started with ECS workflows, elaboration on aspects, how to manage content in ECS, and more.
    2. Build to WebGL with ECS, and render via Unity’s Scriptable Render Pipeline: Compatibility of ECS with WebGL is important to some of our users. To make this easier to achieve, we’ve included a small sample to illustrate how users can use ECS and build to WebGL without depending on the Entities Graphics package.
    3. Removal of some deprecated features: We’ve removed some deprecated or unused endpoints from various packages to ensure a consistent and smooth development experience, including the ISystemBase name, BufferAccessor constructor, DotsPlayerSettings type, and more.
    4. Introducing a content manager and delivery system: With many users looking for a way to manage and deliver large-scale content, we’ve introduced the content manager and delivery system with this release, enabling users to load, build and deliver content on demand.
    5. Various fixes for Motors in Unity Physics: We’ve also made various updates and fixes to the motors feature, including a simplified UI for intuitive configuration and various bugs that affected the behavior of motors. More details in the Unity Physics changelog.
    6. Havok Physics for Unity is now available for Pro, Enterprise, and UIC users: This release also includes the Havok Physics for Unity package (com.havok.physics), included as part of the subscription for Pro, Enterprise and UIC users, along with the Unity Physics package. We've also developed learn content to help you get started.
    We have also compiled a list of known issues here.

    Roadmap
    While ECS for Unity 2022 is supported for production, this does not mean the work is over. To continue enabling more ambitious games, here are the three main areas we’ll be working on:
    1. Consolidation of ECS workflows: with the release of ECS for Unity, we expect to see a wide range of new use cases emerging. Our short-term focus will be observing how you leverage ECS for Unity, and acting on opportunities to further consolidate workflows and provide a better experience.
    2. Enabling cross-play multiplayer game creation: enabling multiplayer games continues to be a big focus for the team, and we’re determined to close any remaining gaps to provide efficient out-of-the-box support for many genres of multiplayer games. These include working on cross-platform determinism to simplify cross-play development or supporting the need for determinism in multiplayer game code.
    3. Enabling open-world game creation: we are also developing more robust open-world support in Unity, specifically around the ability to scale content. This is currently being developed on two main fronts, animation, and worldbuilding. On animation, we’re progressing towards a highly performant, customizable 3D animation system that leverages data-oriented technologies. For worldbuilding, we’re working on better artist controls for environment workflows, including overlays for terrain, scattering improvements, and managing terrain detail.
    Resources to get started
    Over the course of our experimental releases, we’ve also heard from you that samples and documentation are very useful to get started. Based on that feedback, we’re preparing the following to reduce the learning curve and help you get started quickly:
    1. Megacity: We’ve significantly updated Megacity, showcasing how you can stream thousands of entities into the game scene at a stable 60 FPS, with thousands of active physics colliders and dynamic vehicles actively performing collision avoidance.
    2. Rival Character Controller: For users looking to quickly jump into building their game, we've also updated the Rival Character Controller, making it compatible with the pre-release of ECS for Unity. The samples showcasing the use of the character controller will also be updated, to provide you with a starting point.
    3. DOTS Guide, ECS Samples, and Learn Content: We're updating the DOTS Guide, ECS samples and Learn Content to reflect the latest APIs available with ECS for Unity, and these should be available soon. These resources will be especially useful for new users to learn about fundamental concepts of data-oriented design.
    4. ECS Network Racing: We’re developing a brand new multiplayer racing sample showcasing the capabilities of Netcode for Entities and how you can easily build a multiplayer game out of the box. This sample exemplifies an implementation of client/server architecture with client-side prediction, interpolation, and lag compensation.
    To learn more about leveraging ECS for Unity to build ambitious games, do check out Isaac’s blog post – Games Focus: Expanded Scale for Ambitious Games, as it goes deeper into production stories from early adopters like V-Rising, and Electric Square. We’re also organizing a Dev Blitz day on the Unity Forums today, on the 8th of December, 7am – 7pm ET, so you can chat with us directly about all things ECS.

    Feedback is a gift
    We’ve also updated our public roadmap page, to reflect what’s available and what we’re planning to deliver next. As usual, your feedback is carefully reviewed by the team and provides a significant impact to drive the direction of the product.

    Each card on this interactive board is clickable, giving you more details about each topic while providing you with the option to share your feedback. If you accept to use functional cookies and log in using your Unity ID, then it’s as simple as clicking a card, selecting how important the topic is to you, adding your point of view, and submitting. This feedback is directly routed to the proper product teams.

    We are also actively engaging with many of you via the DOTS channel in Unity Discord, as well as here in the forums. With the pre-release of ECS for Unity, the DOTS forums will also be moving out of the experimental section, into the main forum space, along with all the other supported products of Unity. The subforums of DOTS Physics, DOTS Netcode, and DOTS Graphics have also been renamed as Physics for ECS, Netcode for ECS, and Graphics for ECS to better reflect our revised nomenclature around ECS for Unity.

    This is an exciting time for all of us, and we can’t wait to see what you build with Unity. The team continues to work hard to provide you with the tools to build more ambitious games, and we look forward to sharing more on our next release.

    As usual, please let us know what you think in this thread!

    Laurent
     
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  2. AcidArrow

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    Hi, I'm confused.

    It's available and supported for production but it's also a pre-release? What makes it a pre-release? What will it take to lose the pre? You do realise that production and pre-release software is kind of an oxymoron? Regardless, the choice seems deliberate, so what are you trying to communicate here?

    Because if I can put my bad faith hat on for a minute (wait, I already had it on), the situation sounds like that famous proverb about having cakes and eating them.

    You launched ECS (which by the way, I find it really funny how the blog post does not mention that ECS is a pre-release : https://blog.unity.com/technology/2022-2-tech-stream-available . Did I say funny? I meant manipulative), but you also want to be able to say "well it's a pre-release, of course it crashes and makes your computer explode taking the whole city block with it, it's a pre-release, what were you expecting?", I can already see the posts from some of your community cronies.
     
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  3. IsaacsUnity

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    Thanks for the feedback Acid! We're leveraging our package lifecycle taxonomy to describe our releases. As you've seen in the previous quarters, we've been sharing experimental versions of ECS for Unity. This release marks a major milestone of achieving the "Pre-release" state, which means ECS for Unity is on the release track. That means that Unity fully supports it and commits to officially releasing them by the end of the current LTS cycle (for example, 2022.3) at the latest.

    Hope that makes sense!
     
  4. MostHated

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    That's the thing, it doesn't make sense. You are confident enough to call it "production ready", but not confident enough to call it "released"? I don't think it should be called "production ready" if you can't call it "released". It's confusing and counterintuitive.
     
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  5. Shinyclef

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    Makes perfect sense to me. Not confused at all. Thanks for the excellent updates guys. :)
     
  6. Endlesser

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    Was expecting a little more info about Unity's new animation progresss, since all original parts of ECS(Entities, hybrid render, physics, netcode) are moved on except animation.

    It's been quite a long time since unity anim developing has improved, the futuristic Kinematica has no info at all, the robust Mecanim stays hybrid as always, the Dots anim has been "highly experimental" for years and cut compatibility with any new advanced ECS in 2022.

    When do I get to try this "less experimental" animation out, to feedback more of course? Is it going to be compatible with latest Entities & DOTS?

    Have a good holiday~
     
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  7. silveryw

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    Where is the sample of ECS WebGL?I can't find it.
     
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  8. Laicasaane

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    Do you have any concrete time frame for the release of these new Samples and Guide?
     
  9. Shinyclef

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    Hello, just checked the asset store page, and it seems that Rival is still on v0.51. Is the update publishing soon? Cheers :).
     
  10. inSight01

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    On this topic. Specifically talking Android. What is the compatibility compared to older versions of DOTS?

    I understand the biggest limiting factor for Android mobiles was support for Vulkan. Because most mobile devices have no or little support for Vulkan than compatibility with ECS (or more specifically DOTS) is limited. Is this still an issue?

    EDIT: Similar question with WebGL. Is the improved support?
     
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  12. mikaelK

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    In the upgrade manual it says to use the following workflow:
    Code (CSharp):
    1. var world = SystemAPI.GetSingleton<PhysicsWorld>() ;
    No matter what I try. I cannot get it working.
    So obviously something has changed and the upgrade guide is not valid.
    upload_2022-12-10_16-8-9.png

    Is there a plan on better upgrade manual/improvements?

    edit. Managed to find this from samples.
    I'll just assume this is the new way
    Code (CSharp):
    1.  var world = SystemAPI.GetSingleton<PhysicsWorldSingleton>().PhysicsWorld;
     
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  13. BuzzJive

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    In the known issues doc, should this first Forward be the Forward+ (plus) rendering or is this saying there's a problem with base Forward and ECS and XR?

    • Forward does not support XR platforms yet. Forward is required for full URP Local Lighting support. Regular URP Forward only supports directional light. URP Deferred supports basic local lighting but not reflection probes.
     
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    Thank you for flagging that, there was an error in rendering the + sign on our roadmap. Here is the intended message, and the roadmap card has been updated as well.
    • Forward+ does not support XR platforms yet.
      • Forward+ is required for full URP Local Lighting support.
      • Regular URP Forward only supports directional light.
      • URP Deferred supports basic local lighting but not reflection probes.
     
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    Same question here
     
  16. IsaacsUnity

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    Hello creators! The updated ECS samples and the ECS Network Racing sample are now available. Please let us know if these are helpful in your ECS for Unity journey. Thank you, and happy holidays.
     
  17. IsaacsUnity

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    Hey silveryw, you can find a generic sample illustrating a workflow to WebGL or any other supported platforms here. You will be able to use ECS data, sync to a GameObject, render using Unity's existing render pipelines and build towards your targetted platform.
     
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  18. Deleted User

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    Is physX now supported with entities? I am using the unity third person starter assets which uses the phsX collider and its interacting with the entities without any issues! (not using unity ECS physics anywhere)
    Screenshot (235).png
    All objects are converted to subscenes (not the Third person controller)
    Screenshot (236).png
    Even the Cinemachine camera interacts with the entities (in the second pic)
    I this new feature or bug? As far as i know entities only support unity physics, not physX :rolleyes:!?
    Using Entities 1.0 prev 15, 2022.1f1, and entities graphics
     
  19. Antypodish

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    There is some form of authoring bridge between dots domain and MB and therefore physX.

    Someone may know more about it.

    But I do expect, for tons of entities and physical interactions, PhysX will be slower than DOTS one.

    However, for many application difference may be not noticeable, where there is not that many dynamic world instances.

    DOTS physics is CPU based.
    Edit:
    Unity PhysX is CPU based, due to cross platform compatibility requirements.
    However on the note side:
    PhysX hardware acceleration is GPU based.
     
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  20. Onigiri

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    No
     
  21. Antypodish

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    No what?
    Why posting, if not bothering to give more constructive answer?
     
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    Entities 1.0 removed GameObjectConversionUtility.ConvertGameObjectHierarchy() which is heavily used in our project. Most of our prefab are loaded from assetbundle. The assetbundles can be downloaded from network. Users can play our game even though some prefabs are not ready (they are still in downloading). Is there any advise for this situation? Or can you just bring GameObjectConversionUtility.ConvertGameObjectHierarchy() back?
     
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    I tried using physX rigidbody on entities and it works, somewhat..
    Feels like the collider for rigidbodies (when converted to entities), updates after some time interval or during collision and physics as whole behaves quite differently..
    Can someone from DOTS team, @LaurentGibert confirm that entities working with physX is a feature or some unexpected bug?
     
  24. IsaacsUnity

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    Hello Eagle! You should be able to use both Unity Physics and PhysX authoring components in subscenes. This is to help our existing users have a more familiar experience working with Unity Physics and ECS for Unity. When you use the legacy PhysX authoring components in subscenes, these are converted to entity component data and are hence simulated by the selected ECS-based Physics engine (Unity Physics/Havok Physics for Unity). You can find a more in-depth explanation and scene setup sample here.

    You'll also note that if you have a GameObject with a PhysX component outside of a subscene, it'll be simulated by the PhysX engine, hence the difference in behaviour.
     
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    In 1.0 you can Bake single Prefabs into Entity Scene files, which will also put accompanying Unity assets in an asset bundle, and export these into files you can deliver to users for loading at runtime, but now already in Entity representation, so you pay no runtime cost for conversion on every load.

    The final 1.0 release will have a sample showcasing this.
     
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    @IsaacSeah Hi! The physX with entities is quite unstable! The rigidbodies don't seem to be interacting with the game object third person controller because their colliders seem to be bugged! After colliding with the plane the object's collider doesn't update it's transform with the entity. This is easily reproducible by just adding some physX rigidbody spheres and plane and coverting those to subscenes and the third person character controller from store.

    Another issue is that when I close the subscene in the scene view, there is no physics interaction for the third person controller in the play mode
     
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    If you're trying to get a MonoBehaviour-based character to collide with SubScene objects, stop immediately and consult an expert. This sounds like a simple misunderstanding. There is no intentional runtime interoperability between PhysX and Unity / Havok Physics. Collisions while the SubScene is open for editing is probably an artifact of authoring components being loaded in the scene and existing for simulation by PhysX, which is pretty much an unavoidable but bad side effect of allowing open SubScenes in Play Mode. Using PhysX components in a subscene is meant to be a comfortable (for users having used the classic PhysX components before) authoring mechanism for colliders that always get converted to Unity Physics bodies, nothing more. The staff reply above mentioned as much, it should've been clear already. What you really want to do is either keep all your physics objects in classic PhysX to work with your character controller (this can cascade to you just moving the majority of your game logic back to classic things instead of ECS), or rewrite your character controller logic to be based on ECS.
     
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    what's the project name?

    i tested URPSamples / EntityCreation. but dosent rendered in webgl build.
     
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    Hello! Thanks for reaching out, within the HelloCube sample, the GameObject Sync scene illustrates how you would be able to use ECS data and sync to a GameObject, and consequently render via WebGL.

    It's not just WebGL-specific per se, but it's the basic pattern for coordinating GameObjects with Entities. Please let me know if there was a specific issue you were experiencing.
     
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    Thanks IsaacSeah, I downloaded the HelloCube sample project and changed the BuildSettings to WebGL and, like all of the ECS sample projects I've tried before, it works in the Editor but "Build And Run" results in:

    and

    I found a similar topic of discussion here. Any ideas why WebGL fails to run and raises those errors?

    My Environment:
    Unity 2022.2.5f1
    Entities 1.0.0-pre.15
     
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    Let me look into this with our internal teams and get back to you!
     
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    Not sure if it was already answered somewhere but:
    Where would "adding support for 2023.1" be in terms of priority?
     
  35. elliotc-unity

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    We will eventually for sure, but nobody's working on it right now because we're all busy fixing bugs for the next 22.2-compatible package release.
     
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    Features are great and I'm sure everyone here wishes for y'all to drop the next entities release now.

    I'm one of them, until I remembered exp.8 being released and absolutely nothing worked without a crash every 15 minutes.

    Bug fixes are good. Bug fixes make coding fun. Waiting for bug fixes to complete is painful now but it saves far more pain and complaining later on.
     
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    My test
    1.set target platform to webgl
    2.build and run

    Result.
    Entities not rendered

    Test Environment
    Pc window 11
    Unity 2022.2.4f1
    Entities 1.0.0-pre.15

    Please check if it really works
     
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    it should be 2 months from now, It will be released with 2022.3 lts.
     
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    Thank you, we're taking a look at this. I'll share back when there are updates.
     
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    Is this information officially announced by Unity?
     
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    Is the update still far away?
     
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    Hey! We've identified the issue and we're still working on a fix. Thanks for checking in and for your patience!
     
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    Entities 1.0.0-pre.47 Entities Graphics 1.0.0-pre.44 have the same problem.
     
  45. TorchFireGames

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    Any update on the fix for the ECS WebGL build?
     
  46. programmer119

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    I Guess, their very busy that they can't remember this webgl ecs issue
     
  47. elliotc-unity

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    No, it's on the way in the next version. The next version is just having a bad time unrelatedly right now with internal processes.
     
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    Not only did we remember, but people put in serious extra time to get it resolved for 1.0. I'm really looking forward to seeing what people create with WebGL + Entities 1.0 :D
     
  49. boyaregames

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    I cant wait already \о/.
    Right now i have so many walkarounds in my project.
    Custom entity Baker, Custom graphics, Etc. With New version my progress should be skyrocket
     
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    I would absolutely love some WebGL + Netcode for Entities + Relay template projects to build my projects from ^^
     
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