Official DOTS Development Status And Next Milestones - March 2022

Hello, I see you mention a 0.51.
I just updated one of my pakage to 0.50 and I still face an issue that seemed easily fixable.
From my understanding it was a regression between 0.16 and 0.17 and expected this to be solved by hte next package.
Yet this still occurs in 0.50.

https://forum.unity.com/threads/blobarray-with-valuetype-generic-parameters-fails.1045639/

Can you confirm that having a BlobAsset of Generic type (BlobAssetReference<StructType<StructType>>) is expected to be allowed ?

 

Excited to see this developmemt and direction! Thanks for the information!

 

Can we get a real update/clarification to the status of Animation?

It now falls under the status of Planned: We plan to build solutions, but the work has not started, or the topic is being researched.)

Previously it was listed(over a year ago) on the roadmap by @ChinnyBJ as In Progress - on the "old" roadmap and we obviously have the samples repository. Whats happened here? Is this just a mix up? Or is development on the existing package being scrapped?

 

Will DOTS be at all interoperable with existing Unity projects? For example:
- Use Hybrid Rendering side by side with normal Unity
- Use Unity Physics side by side with normal Unity

I expect there's a lot of reasons for why this wouldn't be possible, but it would be great: right now porting over an existing project seems kindof like an all-or-nothing deal instead of a gradual process where you have to have all your custom render/physics components ECS authored day 1, and I imagine that scaring off a lot of people to the otherwise brilliant concept.

 

Got a sense Laurent post addresses your question quite clearly (Finally, Entities 1.0 is focused[..]) I read that as “keep using Unity as you do it right now, and sprinkle in use of Entities as you wish from 0% (of you Game Logic) to 100%”

 

Woo! Some fresh air in the DOTS sails!

I'm glad you all have a clear scope for Entities 1.0 Even in it's preview state, ECS is brilliant. I'm glad you've all embraced the hybrid approach and I look forward to more tools.

Well done lads, looking forward to 1.0

 

Yes, you can mix and match. I currently use the DOTS based physics for my vehicles and their interacting and colliding with each other and the general game world (ground, buildings, etc), but then each vehicle has a standard and simple GameObject collider attached to it which is used to interact with the GameObject world, ex, ragdoll, any other systems I have not converted to DOTS, etc.

 

So Animation is after ECS 1.0? maybe another two years later，Is there any alternative method,or preview version

 

ok maybe 100%percent pure ECS in project is Unrealistic now

 

Aside from doing that just because you want to do that (100% DOTS), for most things, it seems rather unnecessary. Sure, some aspects of DOTS yield unquestionable performance increases, but for other things, you may simply not need it and the effort you would have to put in (at least currently) to do something in pure DOTS could end up being only a *little* bit better and you could have done 4-5 other things toward the completion of your game instead of squeezing out a few fractions of a millisecond. Granted, I enjoy making something, then redoing it to see if I can make it better, then redoing it again until I can't make it any faster, but that is probably why I will never finish anything, lol.

 

Hello!
Do you know which part this breaking change from 0.51 to 1.0 will be affecting? It will be game object conversion, Entities.ForEach API, physics, or maybe something else? I am wondering if we can somehow prepare for it up front

 

Thanks for the update.
If you don't mind me asking, are there still plans to get DOTS coding usability near GameObject usability?
I believe someone mentioned that eventually it should be as easy, or even easier.

It's a bit difficult to imagine what that could look like, any details would be appreciated

 

Is there a builtin ECS-based way of handling this, or would we want to have like a GameObject w/ Animator that just acts as a puppet, and have some custom System handle setting triggers and such?

 

Is it possible that 1.0 will support "Animator" as a built-in HybridComponent, but 0.50 currently doesn't?

In 0.50, I just tried dropping a gameobject with a mecanim Animator component in a subscene, and the Animator doesn't appear to get converted to a hybrid component (no CompanionLink on the entity, etc...).

I'm wondering if there's a hassle-free way to get this working now that AddHybridComponent is removed. Is there a recommended workflow, other than manually handling GameObject instantiating/destroying/reference-keeping with managed SystemStateComponents?

 

I guess I'm still going through the stages of denial, but would it be possible to go back to experimental preview packages (with no guarantees for production readiness/support) for animation? I'll sign an NDA if that's what it takes(seriously).

 

Holy Moly, I'm starting to dream again.

 

Are DOTS Animation & Kinematica related? How will they both work in harmony/together?

 

Okay, now I'm confused. What is the animation team actually doing? Because when we ask them why they're not fixing long-standing problems with the Animation component, or the Animator component, or with Playables, the answer is "we're working on DOTS animation!". So what's the deal here?

 

Please please please post more often, having radio silence is incredibly frustrating and disheartening. DOTS is fantastic, and having better communication would be amazing.

 

I'm not sure if this is the place to share feedback or not but the situation to me looks like this
Animation and Navigation which one is needed on almost all games and the other on many are hard to integrate from GameObjects and we need to either have an easy way of integration or much more info on their status. There is no reason that other companies like Microsoft can share lots of more info on say .NET Core and its releases and you guys at Unity cannot. They are a poblically traded company which has delays too. If navigation and path finding and audio work as seemless as managed vfx and text mesh components, that is in the level of acceptable but doesn't reduce the need for transparency.

We need to trust unity will deliver and do not postpone them a very long time or at least know why it is being delayed in order to be able to rely on dots and invest in it as a technology. I'm saying this as someone which built prototypes of our pre-production of our game in DOTS because I thought that roughly speaking from MegaCity to usable engine it is 2 years or so if unity puts a say 30 person strong team with a clear direction on it. We even built an AI framework with editor windows and everything because we thought eventually we will get DOTS animation in GDC 2021 or 6 monthls later and hopefully navigation too and will use hybrid for the rest.

The thing is that you are of course free to change direction and it is not like I don't understand that you need all of your userbase to come with you in this and ... but you need trust and we need info and deliver for this to have a chance of taking off properly. Otherwise I guess those of us indies at least who are trying to make more open world/sandbox style of games for PC have to look elsewhere into custom development/UE5. I hate that I sound like this as a unity user since 2.5 beta on windows and as someone who had really high hopes of coding revolutionary game mechanics without the pain of making my own job system in C++ and a custom engine. It is doable in unity now yes but integrating that code with the rest and the amount of glue code required seem to be much and well we are just 3-4 programmers in the team.

Please consider providing much more details on what is going with the hybrid model, how much easy to use it will be and when can we expect navigtion and animation roughly speaking and not release dates, just like what most other sensible software companies do. I understand that there weill be delays but delays with descriptions are acceptable up to a certain points and a few lines above the posts/roadmaps/whatever would save your rear end legally too so I don't get why this should continue like this. The current roadmap is essentially mostly list of things which will be released in the next 3-4 months in 1.0 (based on your previous post at december which said Q2 i guess).

The difference between Mike Acton's 2016 talk on building the future of unity which enables us to do a lot of what AAA are doing without having massive teams and his overall silence and the current situation is like the difference between day and night. Unity has many smart, industry leading people which have been in big studios for yours and I'm sure you guys can figure how to do this proper, the only thing i cannot figure out is why this is taking this long and why the communication is like this.

P.S This si a very short video of the utility AI we built just to show that We really are invested in this (continuing our prototypes mostly with MB at he moment TBH however).(102) NoOpArmy.AI DOTS Utility AI introduction - YouTube We wanted to put this on AssetStore too and we probably still will after 1.0 if we ourselves continue this path. Otherwise probably for now needs to become an ECS independent burst and jobs based utility AI system for us to continue pre-production and hopefully find the fun and see how things will go.

 

Adding on top of what Ashkan_gc said: I was really, Really REALLY excited for 0.50 thinking it would bring DOTS Visual Scripting up to bar with entities 0.50, but finding out that DOTS VS & DSPGraph & DOTS Animation were already 'halted' until after 1.0, it was a Real Disappointment. As you can guess, I'm not a coder myself, I suck at it, so I fully depend on Visual Scripting on my projects' coding journey .. but as it's halted until after 1.0? I guess I will still wait for another 4+ years ..

 

Thanks for the update! I waited 1.7 years for this. v0.50.0 needs some fixes, but it looks very promising!

 

I just want to know why it's not possible to get some preview animation package before 1.0. This is such a pain to use mecanim in 2022 and even more painfull to use it with hybrid DOTS.

 

Is it planned to add any features to support large scale open worlds? Like double precision physics and transforms, floating origin or chunked world?

 

Q2 currently is about 0.51 not about 1.0

 

Excuse my noobness, but what is the "recomended animation system"?

 

Mecanim. Like it says in your quoted answer.

 

Any news ( not seen anything in the roadmap) about the disable/enable entity component ?
There was a lot of talks about it before the refactoring of 0.50 but nothing now.

It is always planned or concidered ?

 

I would very much like to hear info on this as well.

 

That is slated for 1.0 as per Joachim's response here. Pasted below for ease.

 

Wow, good news!
I'm still learning ECS and the way it works in unity, hopefully, I'll get better before 1.0

 

Or just wait: 1.0 should have example projects and since the architecture has changed so much all tutorials on it are outdated rn

 

But ECS is already been integrated in unity 2019, right?
Or they will change it too?

 

Relevant profile picture.

 

Hi Unity

Thanks for Entities Package progress

I have one question about direction.

Do you have plans to create entities API that will not try to rewrite our code from closure state to efficient jobs but use it as is?
May be some job methods with attributes or something so SourceGenerators will generate only code boilerplate and we will have full control over actual game logic code by default, not only by writing and scheduling jobs directly.

 

Brilliant work!

I smell DOTS is back to main course this year finally, after last 2 years of scratching and tickling. And 1.0 is way clearer and concrete than I though.

Although I still have some queries and expectations:
1. Entities users are probably unable to use 2021.3 when it comes out, right? (I really hope `minor update` won't last to the second half of the year)

2. For those who already deeply integrate with DOTS Animation, will there be any problem when upgrading to 1.0?

3. What is the recommended navigation system and audio solution for official Entity 1.0?

Have a great GDC, guys.

 

You won't be able to use DOTS animation with 0.50 or 1.0. It will only become available some time after 1.0 again. You must keep using Mecanim in the meantime.

A navigation system / audio solution will also only be worked on after 1.0 is released. So you'll have to use the existing ones.

 

Please be precise with VERSION NUMBERS!

This post mentions Entities 0.50 and 0.51 (compatible with 2020 LTS and 2021 LTS respectively).
As of today, Entities version is 0.5.1 (compatible with 2020 LTS I suppose but not 2021 LTS).

Or is it??

Versions 0.50 and 0.51 don't make any sense, really. That would indicate a minor version bump of +45 (!) from the current Entities version 0.5.x!!

Please update the post to clarify this, it's confusing. People already started replicating these 0.50 and 0.51 version numbers in their posts which - I presume - do not exist! At least not until around 2044 ...

 

There is nothing confusing except why you're talking about 0.5.1.

 

I thought that might be the "Toggle support" added in 0.18?
If thats not the case then whats the "Toggle support"?

 

Umm ... okay, it seems there's currently TWO pages online for the Entities manual (admittedly I haven't checked versions in package manager).

This one seems to be up-to-date based on the use of the new logo:
URL: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.entities@0.50/manual/index.html



However when I google for "Unity ECS 0.5" this page is the first result:
URL: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.entities@0.5/manual/index.html


The latter should probably be removed.
You can switch to 0.50 but that's somewhere between 0.1 and 0.9 making this not-so-obvious:

 

I generally just use the "latest" redirect to find the correct documentation page/latest version of a package:
https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.entities@latest/

(the "latest" redirect works with all package pages as far as I'm aware)

 

There is nothing confusing about it.
0.5 is a REALLY old version.
0.50 is the latest and 0.51 will come out in Q2.
Please put this 0.5 and 0.50 confusion to rest, we had a whole thread getting derailed because of it.

 

I have a question related to animation : is there any plan to make the Playable API (that drives Timeline) works with ECS ?

I have an extended set of tool that use the Playable API, would be great if I could update them for ECS.

 

0.5.0, 0.5.1 was released over 2 years ago
[0.5.0] - 2020-01-16
[0.5.1] - 2020-01-28

 

I don't want to be pedant but, a confusion is a confusion, how can someone that's confused put the confusion away without asking and correcting the confusion in the first place??

There's an error in the docs UI, I'd appreciate if people would read posts more carefully before reacting with something that to be frank, it is not helping either to clear someone's else confusion nor unity to improve.

@UnityStaff: please make sure the dropdown in the entities package docs orders the versions correctly no matter which version are u currently at. For example, if u are on 0.50 (latest) page, the dropdown has 0.50 at the top, but if u are on any other version's page, say 0.9, then the dropdown will list 0.50 between 0.5 and 0.6.
Since a really big chunk of people don't bother using links from the unity editor and just uses a web search, they are bound to land on a random version and thus get a wonky dropdown order.

As seen on SteffenItterheim screenshot.

 

Developers should actually know that version numbers are not decimal numbers, but independent numbers separated by dots, it may well be easier for me since I come from a country where commas are used for decimal places, not dots. Unfortunately, I see too often that people struggle with this.
But if someone confuses versions 0.5.1 with 0.51, then this person should see an ophthalmologist. (0.51.0 would be correct)