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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by TenKHoursDev, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. TenKHoursDev

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    https://www.blendernation.com/2019/...r-foundation-with-1-2-million-epic-megagrant/

    The above is a really interesting new development.

    I completely understand that discussion of other engines is not permissible here, so I'll change the position:

    What if Unity3d contributed (in some form) to Blender3d? Its an open source platform and a middle ground. Donations in the form of support, code, or monetary contributions benefits literally everybody.

    Best yet (for Unity) you don't run the risk of Blender3d becoming a UE4 exclusive! :p

    Please discuss. :D
     
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  2. SparrowsNest

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    Note that this does not give Epic Games control over Blender's roadmap; Ton Roosendaal comments on Twitter:

    The MegaGrant is a true grant, with as only requirement that we really spend it on improving Blender. "

    That said I think unity should pitch in too in the spirit of things, none of them should try and take it over (leave that to adobe), they get a lot of benefit from blender.
     
  3. Lars-Steenhoff

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    Sorry but you know it not even possible because its open source
     
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  4. TenKHoursDev

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    Valid point. Hadn't thought of that.
     
  5. Murgilod

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    Also it's quite specifically a donation, not a buyout.
     
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  6. zombiegorilla

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    Unity supports Blender by supporting the native files. It's cool that Epic is donating to Blender, and they have before. Its also worth noting that that donation comes from their developer fund. So another way to look at it is that is 1.2million not going to game developers. ;)
     
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  7. Murgilod

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    As a Blender user, it absolutely goes to me :v
     
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  8. Lurking-Ninja

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    I see the headlines: "EPIC supports Unity users!"
     
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  9. Ryiah

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    Investing $1.2 million directly into game developers only benefits the few game developers that can get the money, but investing it into the tools they use benefits everyone using those tools. Plus there is no guarantee that investing in game developers will produce good results, whereas Blender is not going away any time soon.

    I'd be perfectly happy seeing Epic Games continue this path with regular investments in open source tools like Blender.
     
  10. MBrown42

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    For some reason I think of Oracle buying java, if the $$ Epic dumps into Blender generates success on many levels as pointed out by @Ryiah & @zombiegorilla , the value of blender to the industry as a whole will grow exponentially. That might be the time such an asset would be invaluable for Epic to own outright. --pessimism rules--

    "if it bleeds, we can kill it" - Predator Movie
    "if it grows, they will buy it" - Alien proverb
     
  11. Murgilod

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    Except, as stated, Blender isn't compatible with a buyout. It is, in fact, not really possible to buyout.
     
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  12. MBrown42

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    Yes @Murgilod , this round of donation is not a buyout. I am postulating on possible future events.
    Can you elaborate on how it is not really possible to buyout the blender foundation?
     
  13. Murgilod

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    There's a few reasons:
    1. Blender Foundation is a non-profit. You can not sell a non-profit.
    2. Even if you could, Blender (the software), is free open source software. Buying it would accomplish nothing.
    3. Even the specific license of Blender means that they wouldn't even be able to make a closed source derivative.
    Basically? They can't, and even if they could it'd accomplish nothing.
     
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  14. Lurking-Ninja

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    Blender cannot bought out. Not even in the future. What EPIC can do is to take the source of Blender and build their own software on the top of it. But they would lose all the positive effects of being open source (unless they also make it open source, then it does not matter).

    If Blender Foundation close tomorrow or becomes a subsidiary of Epic Games (very low chance this to happen, practically zero), anyone (the community) takes the source code and continue building the open source Blender. So there is no real benefit to buy out.
     
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  15. joshcamas

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    Super awesome that Epic has done this :) I don't see Unity donating money to blender - Unity has been pretty stingy in the past (ie the whole Enlighten license fiasco). But hey, maybe I'll be proven wrong.
     
  16. Murgilod

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    I'd rather Unity be stingy than get stuck with Enlighten being the thing people are expected to use going forth, honestly.
     
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    Problem with them being stingy is that we've been stuck with an ancient Enlighten build for years now, and we will continue to be stuck with it until it is replaced in 3-5 years, out of preview only if we're extremely lucky.
    And of course them being extremely misleading about it doesn't help anything.

    Regardless, we probably shouldn't be clogging up this thread whoops
     
  18. Lurking-Ninja

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    So company should ask its user base if they allow the company to not to contract with another company? Otherwise it is "stingy"? WTF is wrong with the consumer-world? Do you want to OK their toilet-paper-purchases as well? Seriously.

    You know nothing about what did or did not happen between Unity and Silicon Studio. You don't know how this move would affect Unity's plans in the future. So I don't think you're fair when you call them stingy just because they didn't want to contract with another company.
     
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    Such a angry reply wowee. It's true that I do not know what went down, but I can guess. I suppose I should have said "I think". Would that make you feel better? ^_^
     
  20. Lurking-Ninja

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    Angry? I'm not angry. I am disappointed. As always, when people is judging anything unfairly. I know, I'm used to it. Happens all the time.
    You don't have to make me feel better. It's an open forum, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. So whatever.

    You can guess all day long, it won't make it true or realistic.
     
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  21. Ryiah

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    I wasn't aware that Unity announced the releases they were using for Enlighten, or that we could look online at the release notes as new versions became available from Geomerics.

    Edit: Just found where the release notes used to be but the website is gone now thanks to the buy out.
     
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  22. joshcamas

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    According to this, Unity has been using an old SDK:
     
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    Yes, not from Silicon Studio. They're hurt because Unity chose to see through the contract with Geometrics and not sign another one with them. This is what I was talking about. Unity never used Silicon Studio's Enlighten. Ever. And Unity never mentioned Silicon Studio's Enlighten.
     
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    True dat.
    Yea, but I am two versions behind, so it doesn't go to me. :(
     
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  25. joshcamas

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    :( That is a big sad
     
  26. Murgilod

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    I always knew you weren't one of the fast zombies
     
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  27. zombiegorilla

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    I love blender and use it nearly everyday for everything (games, art, 3d printing, etc). But it is rock stable and does everything I need... I just am never compelled to upgrade. I usually just upgrade when I get a new computer.
     
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  28. joshcamas

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    Fair enough, no need to upgrade if you don't have a reason to. I'm assuming you've heard about the changes in blender 2.8? It has some pretty nice usability changes that convinced me to switch, at least
     
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    That moment you upgrade to 2.8 and are left with the feeling someone got on your computer and rearranged your icons.

    blender28.png
     
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    I spent the better part of the last few days deep-diving into the change. I felt like this the whole way through:

     
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  31. joshcamas

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    I gave up trying to get used to not being able to toggle selection with ctrl a and just switched the key bindings to 2.79
     
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    wow... that is different. still on 2.78.
     
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    OH LOL I thought you meant you were using 2.6 or 2.5 I was like damn...
     
  34. TenKHoursDev

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    On a Blender related note: trying to do anything with Blender on a laptop is not a fun experience. The heat wells up from within the machine and warms your wrists as you type/press-hot-keys and manipulate the device. Not fun for someone with tendon issues. Don't ask me why. :p
     
  35. joshcamas

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    Sounds like ya need a laptop with better cooling buddy
     
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  36. TenKHoursDev

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    Nah brah. Pretty much any laptop will get a bit warm after continued use...
     
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    I only work on laptops. I have a windows tower, but that is in the living room and only for games/vr. (though technically my production lappy does have an egpu.)
     
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    That said some get warmer than others, and every once in a while you get a case of a company's laptops catching fire. :p
     
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    It also should be noted that many companies today don't refer to a "laptop". Most are variations on the "book" theme. In fact here are some from quotes from popular 'book's manuals:
    HP EliteBook / Chromebook:
    MacBook Pro:
    And almost all others to one degree or another. Laptops are recommended to not be use on your lap.
    ;)
     
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    Isn't there more to this than just funding, I got the impression that the Blender to Unreal import process has received a lot of love and attention making it very easy to get what you see in Blender into Unreal (PBR materials).

    On the other hand Blender 2.8 to Unity requires FBX export and the PBR material mapping does not work correctly.
     
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    That's entirely on Unity's end.
     
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    It's entirely possible that there are ulterior motives from Epic. Companies like that frequently do little that is purely altruistic. If nothing else, they've probably done it for the headlines and the positive press, which they have certainly gotten.

    If nothing else, they probably made this donation to more closely associate an indie-friendly project like Blender with their own game Engine. (and by extension, their on-line game store) Right now, Epic is very interested in attracting development to the Epic Store. Getting people working in Unreal Engine is an obvious first step. Anyone working with Unreal Engine can use the engine for free when releasing the game on the Epic Game Store. Donating to the Blender fund is an easy way to encourage the active Blender developers to start looking more seriously at Unreal Engine integration.

    Also, a move like this is an easy way for them to indirectly support small-scale indie development, and put on a friendly face to small-scale or individual developers. Given it's open-source status, Blender has been the go-to modeling tool for developers on a tight budget. Modeling and animation software tends to be expensive, Blender fills a very real need for small-scale developers. Throwing some money Blender's way is an easy way for them to boost support for the indie community in general. (without directly supporting their direct competitors, like Unity)

    There are ulterior motives at play, to be sure. But this is also a very clever move on Epic's part. And of course, I'm certain none of the Blender users are going to be complaining.
     
  43. Murgilod

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    I'd argue that this isn't really an "ulterior motive" since it's a pretty transparent publicity move.
     
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    Ulterior motives don't have to be secret. They're just the motive that the party in question won't openly admit to. And yes, it is fairly transparent. Anyone with a half a brain could tell immediately what they are attempting to achieve. But anyone who simply took their public statements on the matter at face value wouldn't.

    By using the term "ulterior," I'm not attempting to say that anything about this situation is nefarious. Even the motives I stated are pretty innocuous as far as major corporations go. I do think it is important to look beyond the press release, however.
     
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    One would care if there's some sort of downside to the whole situation, Blender users will get a lot out of this eventually and Epic's store if successful will allow talented dev's to compete against quality not volume (it is after all curated).

    Like all companies / pieces of software Epic have their quirks for sure, but one thing you gotta love about them is they'll always bend over backwards for any team that shows promise. One of the teams who used to frequent this forum had an Epic tech flew out to them for assistance. That's not something you see every day.!

    Also, I found the thread where I asked them to open an Epic store LOL.! Don't think I was the first but they do seem to listen.
     
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    They didn't open an epic store because a few people wanted it, they did it because they realized they could profit insanely from it :^)
     
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    So what you're trying to say is a large company with a pool of accessible games they can leverage would make money from selling it on their own store?

    TLDR; Well duh Sherlock.! You don't do it without demand though, there's a lot of stores out there.
     
  48. Lurking-Ninja

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    Wut?

    You mistyped the 'pay others to not to sell elsewhere'.
     
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    Oh I was just using business language, your statement loosely translates to "exclusives". :D
     
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    Hypothetically, can Unity recieve megagrant from Epic ?