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Bent normals confusion

Discussion in 'Graphics Experimental Previews' started by EricFFG, Apr 23, 2022.

  1. EricFFG

    EricFFG

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    TLDR: Does unity create me a bent normal automatically if I have a normal and an AO map?

    Ive been reading this thread about specular occlusion https://forum.unity.com/threads/specular-occlusion.963929/

    But now im noticing that if I just turn on Specular Occlusion from AO and Bent normal in the shader,
    I am getting a bent normal generated somehow from unity and it works as if I had added a baked bent normal

    I cant find anything about that


    From AO:
    FromAO.png

    From Bent and AO:
    Clearly a big improvement here and I dont have a bent normal texture
    BentAndAO.png

    Is this really how it works?

    Btw Custom ones can also work well:

    Custom.png

    Based on light direction
    upload_2022-4-23_1-15-0.png

    Anyone seeing this, really turn on the setting for AO and Bent normal
     
    EricFFG, Apr 23, 2022
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  2. hippocoder

    hippocoder

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    upload_2022-4-23_16-55-33.png

    Which mode are you using for without the maps? Perhaps it's a UI thing...
     
    hippocoder, Apr 23, 2022
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  3. adrien-de-tocqueville

    adrien-de-tocqueville

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    On a shadergrah, if no bent normal is provided the normal is used instead.
    Then it uses a different algorithm than the "From AO" option, which may result in a better result if the mesh normal is pointing somewhat towards the light (ie. if it's close to the bent normal)
     
    adrien-de-tocqueville, May 7, 2022
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  4. EricFFG

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    Ah I see, thats a good deed

    Id definitely recommend for people to use that when having baked normal meshes
    This should be in the documentation however
     
    EricFFG, May 11, 2022
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  5. adrien-de-tocqueville

    adrien-de-tocqueville

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    Yes and actually it's weird that this behavior isn't consistent with our Lit shader. I'll make a note to add that in the documentation and unify the behaviors. Thanks for reporting it !
     
    adrien-de-tocqueville, May 11, 2022
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