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[ANSWERED] "Authoritative Server"; how impassable are impassable objects?

Discussion in 'Multiplayer' started by rob_vld, Jun 25, 2015.

  1. rob_vld

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    HLAPI, C#,

    Assume the server map has an impassable object, the client has not.
    With the client i am able to cross this area, where the server player bravely follows...
    Using a sync character controller

    SERVER - CLIENT


    SERVER - CLIENT



    Is this supposed to be?
     
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  2. seanr

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    in that example, the client is authoritative over it's position, so the server moves to the same position.

    There are plans to added server-side validation of the movement of authoritative clients to the NetworkTransform.
     
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  3. rob_vld

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    That is great news!

    These plans, are they short-term(bug-patch-fixes) or long-term(phase 3)?

    Also, Sync Transform/CharacterController, will this get latency compensation, interpolation/extrapolation + question above?
     
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  4. MartinLyne

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    More info on NetworkTransform would be great too (couldn't make LAN movement non-jerky by changing the obvious settings?)
     
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  6. rob_vld

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    Thank you for your reply.

    As far as i know you do not have access to the internal handling of sync transform/character controller; doing it manually will loose you the automatic latency compensation(albeit unconfirmed that it is actually in) handled by UNET...

    So please enlighten me on how to set up the server to become fully authoritative over the clients...
     
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  7. jpthek9

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    To be honest, I haven't used UNET yet. I can only provide general information.

    Basically, you send requests to the host/server (i.e. move forward, shoot, stop shooting, etc.), the server executes the requests, then sends you the updated game state.
     
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  8. rob_vld

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    I appreciate your input, and linking me to gafferongames, but yeah, thats not how HLAPI UNET works... I am sure you can achieve this all by using the LLAPI...


    Nitpicking, but did you mean just clients?
    (If not, i wonder how that works...having an authoritative client and server )
     
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  9. jpthek9

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    Might want to rephrase your question if you're interested in using an authoritative server :p.
     
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  10. rob_vld

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    if you read that quoted sentence, it is not possible yet
     
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    The "authoritative" client sends movement information to the server, where a callback function is invoked that allows that movement request to be accepted, rejected, or modified.

    Other clients are sent the movement of the object from the server, after this validation has been applied.

    So clients can move themselves to invalid positions (by cheating), but other players on other clients will not see the cheating player in the bad positions.
     
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  12. rob_vld

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    In the unite 2015 UNET talk Democratizing Multiplayer Development with Erik Juhl

    At time index 42:10 he mentions that it is already possible to have a complete authoritative server setup if you wanted for your game code...
    I take it he is referring to the LLAPI stuff then?

     
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  13. Necromantic

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    All of the new API is server authoritative if you set it up that way, no matter if high level or low level.

    What I do is send Inputs to the server, propagate them over the network and have local simulations while the server gets the final say on things like collision etc.
     
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