Animator locking animated value even when current state has no curves/keys for that value

I'm learning Mechanim and I've run into one thing that I really don't understand.

I have a value on a monobehaviour that I have animated. That value is only animated in ONE animation state in my state machine. In all other states, that value is not added as a property.

However, even when I am NOT in that state, the value seems to be constantly set to whatever it was at the start of the game. I cannot modify it in the inspector during runtime. Any attempts to update the value in a script get overwritten by the animator.

If I disable the Animator component, the problem stops and I can modify the value. If I remove the value from the ONE state that touches it, the problem stops and I can modify the value. I've tried removing "Write Defaults" on all states as well, but that had no effect.

Is this how Mechanim works? It just locks any and all variables that it ever animates in any state? Even when the current state isn't animating that value? This seems insane to me. Can somebody tell me that I'm crazy here and that there is a workaround?

 

I'm sorry but this seems incredibly counter-intuitive... like to a "are you serious?" degree.

I would expect an animation that is playing to only play out the curves that are in that animation. Why would I ever WANT a value that I have not animated to be locked by the animator? I thought the entire strength of the animator was that you could "animate any value", but if animating a value locks you out of using that value in other places, what's the point?

So now I have to have 2 values that are essentially doing the same thing, one that I script, and one that I animate.

Unity should really consider the (completely sane) idea that only the curves in the current animation should change values. If I wanted a value locked during an animation, I would add it to that animation clip. This current system is incredibly limiting.

 

I'm commenting here because I've been fighting the same issue as described in OP, and I almost posted a bug-report on this behaviour.

I looked around in the documentation on Animation Reference and all it's subpages.
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/comp-AnimationGroup.html

I'll admit that I only read through this once, so if the information is in there somewhere I've missed it. But as far as I can tell, this behaviour has not been described in the documentation and just like stregillus says, I found this behaviour extremely unintuitive, it was certainly not expected behaviour from my point of view.

To me, it would be expected that values gets locked/set by the active playing animation clip, but not when referenced in a non-active animation clip. Even if there's no transition to the clip that manipulates (lets say) a transforms rotation, the Animator will lock the rotation property entirely as long as the Animator component is enabled. I'll agree that having a clip in your animation hierarchy that has no transitions to it is not good practise, and should generally be avoided, but in this case it illustrates very well how unintuitive this behaviour is. I'd expect an animation clip that has no transitions to it to have no influence on anything whatsoever. And to be honest I'd expect the same for an animation clip that is not playing, namely no influence on anything.

I guess that I'll have to accept if this is really intended behaviour, but calling it "expected" is somewhat arrogant imho. I'd suggest adding some information about this in the documentation (unless it's already there and I just so happened to not find it - if that's the case I apologise and then this is a case of me not reading the documentation properly).

I ran into this problem when I was building a system where I wanted to allow for instantiating an object introduced onto the screen with an animation. I want to be able to support both scripted animations (for ease of use of the system when prototyping), but I also want to support using the Animator system so that we can set up prettier transitions for actual productions.

Finally, I've not tried the suggested solution of overriding the values in LateUpdate(), however I'd like to suggest an alternative for anybody else running into this issue. I'm planning on approaching this so that the Animator component will be disabled at all times unless an objected is instantiated with a request to use the Animator. In this case I'll enable the Animator and disable it again once the requested animation has been played. If whatever setup you are working on allows for enabling and disabling the Animator component, I'd argue that this is a nicer solution than overriding values in LateUpdate().

 

Ran into this problem a bit earlier, I have to agree with stregillus: This behavior is completely counter intuitive and limiting. Here's hoping it gets changed in the future.

 

@Mecanim-Dev Please add description of this excepted behaviour to the documentation. You will save thousands of hours for developers. It looks like a magic now.

 

Wow. This actually destroys (to a large extent) any good workflow between artists creating animations and game designers scripting interactions ... at least for my company. I won't pretend to understand it ... hopefully there's an actual good reason for this under the hood that justifies it.

Just needed an animation that moves a camera around and shifts two game objects (characters), and the designers still be able to activate/deactivate them through script during an animator state that does not even affect the characters ... sheesh. Never thought that would be beyond Unity. Was delegating to multiple people not a part of the equation during this decision? And no, putting a SetActive() in LateUpdate is out of the question for this (if I understood that correctly) ... making non-programmers jump through hoops is not something we're about to do. Actually going to have to make sure we activate and deactivate the animator now any time we have to move the characters to frame a proper camera shot ... heh.

Is this something that is necessary to not break a whole bunch of stuff (in which case I guess the absurdity of this use-case is just outweighed), or was this planned as some imagined universal use-case?

I'm fully cognizant that Unity is a *massive* system, and there may very well be a completely justified reason for this ... if there is, then some use-cases are simply casualties and my thanks for getting the entire system up and running . As of now though, I cannot for the life of me figure out what that would be. Just give a toggle at least to turn this behavior off ... it would most definitely not break anything for any one of the multiple games our company is making.

 

Sorry. Was a little too angsty there. Just finished implementing a workflow and then saw that was going to cause some issues ... may have done things differently if I had realized this.

The issue is not being able to activate/deactivate gameobjects nested within an animator's hierarchy even though they aren't touched by the animation. This would go for any properties that aren't being touched as well ... but at the moment, the issue was SetActive(). That would be "you can only override an animated value in LateUpdate". But I would qualify that as "only override a value that isn't even touched by the animation in LateUpdate".

I was setting up a workflow between two different roles -- one an artist for the animations, and the other a designer (for game logic). The animation is moving a camera and some 2D characters (to get them properly framed by the camera when you speak to them) and the logic occasionally needs to turn on and off some of the characters. I'm trying to keep each role's system as simple as possible here with as few possibilities of accidentally breaking someone else's stuff ... hence why I'm not so happy with this discovery.

It works fine so long as I activate and deactivate the animator at the right times. It just cluttered things up and opened the door to some accidental bugs. Of course, it could be I misunderstood this whole thread, as well as what's happening here ... and if so, my apologies.

 

I'm actually pretty confused right now. Sometimes it is letting me activate/deactivate a gameobject which is a child of the animator, and other times it is not. I can't tell what the difference is. I also have two different gameobjects under the same animator ... one of them I can move the position of, the other is locked. The animation in the animator is completely empty.

Exactly how are properties locked on gameobjects under an animator's hierarchy? Does it depend on other animations in the animator (even if it isn't the current state)? Does it care if the child has an animator on itself as well (although the two objects I am using both have their own animators yet behave differently)? Where should I go to understand this better? I'm a little nervous building on top of something I clearly just don't understand. If you need specific information or if I'm just being unclear I can try isolating the issue ... I wouldn't send the project at this point since its pretty large.

Sorry again for the uproar. Just confused and didn't expect to spend time on this now ... wasn't an excuse for venting though.

[Root animator]

[This gameobject cannot be disabled OR moved]

[This gameobject cannot be disabled but CAN be moved]

[This is the animation ... its blank and is the current state in the animator. I only put in that position while trying to fix/understand this]

 

Okay, after misunderstanding just about everything I possibly could, short answer if anyone else ever has this issue:

(a) don't touch a property in any animation in an animator if you want to change it through script without LateUpdate.

(b) Write Defaults may be of use.

 

I see that there's been some activity in this thread since I last posted.

My previous comment has not really been addressed, and that may be due to me not directly formulating a question, so I'll try again here and try to be a bit more direct.

The so called expected behaviour regarding how Animators lock down values. Is that documented anywhere? In my opinion this should be stated loud and clear in the documentation, because it is surely not self explanatory. I'm obviously not the only one confused by this behaviour. As mentioned earlier I did not find any information on this behaviour in the documentation. Did I overlook something, or is this not documented? If it's not documented, please try to get a short description of this into the documentation. It could potentially have saved me from hours of troubleshooting what turned out to be "expected behaviour".

I can add that since my last post I did the implementation so that the Animator components are disabled at all times, and only enabled when specifically requested. That resolved the issues that I had, and by doing it this way I'm able to support both Animator animations and scripted animations (two approaches that serves two different purposes). But I consider myself lucky to be in a situation where this solution was a viable option for me. For other people with different usecases this approach may not be a viable option. And then you'd be left with having to overwrite values in LateUpdate, which is a horrible solution imho (because when something suddently does not act as intended you'll have no idea if it is due to the Animator system or due to an error in a LateUpdate implementation somewhere).

 

Hi, thanks for getting back to this thread despite it being somewhat old. I posted a question above directed at you, but I'm making this reply as well because I wanted to address the stuff you say in the quoted part.

I'm really happy to hear that a solution is under development that will ease this up. If you can elaborate a bit on what I've got to look forward to here, that would be awesome. Are you hinting at an implementation where only the actively playing state(s) influence values. Because if that's the case that would just be amazingly awesome! I'm really stoked to hear what this could be!

Then regarding not having multiple Animators in the same hierarchy. I have a hard time accepting that. When doing UI a common case is to have a button prefab that's reused in multiple screens. It may be stretched or fitted in other manners where it's used, but I think that the button prefab would usually have an Animator on it to control the button animations when it's interacted with.

However, that button is usually placed on some screen object. And if that screen object is animated onto the device screen (for example sliding in from a side), it's not impossible to imagine that the screen has an animator as well. So this setup would be not recommended according to you? Or am I misunderstanding you? If I've understood you correctly I'd like to hear your approach for the Screen with button setup. How would you approach something like that if not by having a seperate Animator on the Screen and one on the button. Would you make unique Animator systems for each and every screen that takes all that screens children into consideration? Because that would become insane workload in terms of animations because no Animator would be reusable with such a setup.

 

When you document this stuff, please make sure you also mention (a) all animations in the animator will be taken into account, and (b) what write defaults does. Even after I figured out the animations in the animator part (what you said, thank you), I ran into another similar issue, this time because of Write Defaults. Luckily I had found that other post.

I definitely agree with MildlyAnnoyed ... had this all been documented thoroughly somewhere, days of time would have been saved. Once I understood it, I was able to get around our issues by making sure our animations did not touch anything our scripting has to (luckily we're able to do that). Its a bigger issue than it seems, since by the time any issues are found, projects are already underway with assets already created.

All told, thank you for clarifying things.

 

Hi again.

Thanks for clarifying your statement regarding multiple Animator setups. What you say here makes much more sense to me than your prior post. I'm happy to hear that this is what you meant. I had started questioning my knowledge about Animators following your prior statement, so it's really nice to know that I'm somewhat on the right track with my approach!

Also, thank you in advance for adding that explanation to the documentation. I'm sure it's going to be a great help for people that may go into animation stuff with assumptions similar to what I had. It's completely acceptable that a system deviates from the user's (possibly faulty) expectations in some regards, but it becomes so much more acceptable when things are documented. Especially when it's behaviour that's not self explanatory (which I'd argue is the case here). At the same time I should probably disclaim that I've not really worked with animations in other systems than Unity, so my expectations were based solely in how I imagined that things would work, and thus not based on any prior experience. So there's of course always the chance that I'm just fully and utterly insane! Never the less having this documented would have been a great help for me, and I believe that once it gets into the documentation it's very likely to be helpful for others!

 

So the expected behavior is that the animator always writes default values, regardless of whether the "Write Defaults" checkbox is checked? How is this not a bug?

 

As of today (5/17/17) using a beta version of 5.6 (b8 I think), turning the "Write Defaults" checkbox off worked properly. Checked, it applied the default values when moving to an animation which did not actually touch those values, unchecked, it left those default values alone.

 

It's really great that I've finally found this post. Lost only a couple of hours figuring that animator was even responsible.
One thing I didn't get to work and not sure if I'm figuring this right, but I'm disabling the animator component with an event on the final key and still not able to change the properties.

A little background: I have a prefab with the animator component disabled, in the Start() method I sometimes enable the component to blink a few times with alpha and then disable it with an event. Non-activated instances are working fine with the color change, but animated ones still have color values locked, even with the disabled animator.

 

It's difficult to say what the issue is without any more information about your setup. Since you are claiming that you are able to make the change for instances that did not have their Animator active, my immediate thought is that the change you are trying to apply may be applied too early (e.g. same frame as you disable the Animator). Try a setup where you are certain that the Animator has been disabled for at least a frame before making the change, then report back.

You may get more traction on the feedback if you create a post for yourself though. You could in that case also provide some more information about your setup.

I know that disabling the Animator is a viable solution, because I implemented it and got it working. So at least that verifies that it's possible. Good luck.

 

Still nothing new on that? I'm trying to blend a Mecanim animation with a Procedural animation and this is very frustrating.

The scenario is that I have a turret having an idle animation and whenever the play comes it range I'm doing some scripting to move the turret to aim toward the target. Because of that issue, I have to do that code in LateUpdate which prevents me from having that as a StateMachineBehaviour. If I disable the Animator to move the object as soon as I enable it back it "snaps" to the previous state which doesn't look good. Disabling the Animator also means that I can't have all my bot living as a state machine.

More generally, I want to be able to animate a property which isn't affected by the currently playing AnimationClip.
I attached a min repro here.
What I want: Pressing on "Trigger" should rotate the cube along Z instead of Y.
What I get: Pressing on "Trigger" just freezes the cube in place.

Is there any reasonable workaround which doesn't involve having a completely artificial second Animator, or completely disable it with some weird other thing? Can the Playable APIs be used to make that happen?

 

I'm surprised I haven't had issues with this before.
It's pretty obvious that an intuitive behaviour would be to lock only the values that are animated in the current state. So the code would handle a property only when it's not animated in the current state.
But I guess there is a problem with this that I'm not seeing.
In this case, it should at least be well documented.

And using LateUpdate doesn't help, as it will override the animation when entering a state in which the property is animated.

 

I've run into this issue as well; surprised that values I'm not animating are locked regardless.

 

Not sure how you handle this:

A non-human creature model
3 animations:
1. Jump from point A to point B
2. IdleA
3. IdleB

What I used to do is using the following hierarchy:
|- GlobalMovement <-- Animation 1 will have keys on this transform to move from A to B
|-- Body <-- Animation 2 and 3 will have keys to do the idle animations, and also jumping animation of Animation 1

So now I choose to have only 1 animator. Animation 2 and 3 now have no key on the transform "GlobalMovement", so the model can play IdleA and IdleB no matter where it stands. But due to Unity overwrites the values, playing IdleA or IdleB will lock the transform of "GlobalMovement" into unknown values making the whole approach fail.

My current thought is to use 2 animators, one (animator A) for "GlobalMovement" only, another one (animator A) for "Body" only. However animator B has no idea about when animator A finish playing jump animation, you need to add logic to check so animator B can play IdleA after animator A finishes playing jump animation. It looks so stupid.

 

Actually about the animator locking up fields and such, I used a coroutine so I only have to set the value once when I want to. Based on Unity's execution order of events (in the documentation here), you can wait till the end of the frame, and then do something:

Code (CSharp):

1.  
2. private IEnumerator OverwriteTheField() {
3.    yield return new WaitTillEndOfFrame();
4.    // Set the field/do stuff here -- this happens AFTER Unity's internal animation update!
5. }
6.  

and then call the coroutine by using StartCoroutine(). It's hard for me to tell right now if the animator switches the value back the next frame though, I'd need to experiment more with it.

 

This forum series reflects exactly the issues that I am having, as well as all the reasons I do not understand why this behaviour is considered "expected".

I have a card game. The cards have an Animator that has 2 states, each with a clip:
Idle - Card will occasionally jiggle (rotation oscillates between -5 and 5 degrees).
Discard - Card will animate localPosition to 0,0,0 over 1 second

There can be multiple discard decks on the board, so the idea is that when I tell a card to Discard, I will first parent it to the deck that it needs to Discard to with a transform.SetParent(deckToDiscardTo.transform, true);

The 'true' in that statement above is supposed to make the card stay at its current world position when it parents to something else, so the position values should change so the card visually doesn't move.

However, because I am already animating position changes in the Discard animation in the Animator, the Animator locks those values so that the SetParent(object, TRUE) cannot do its job. The Card will snap to the the new parent because it is being forced to ignore positions changes because the Discard clip is using them, even though I told the SetParent that worldPositionStays = true.

And none of that makes any sense to me as to why it would be intended.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Else, my plan B is to say screw the Animator component altogether and do it manually with legacy Animation components and script-crafted AnimationCurves, and that is going to get ugly really quickly.

 

We are experiencing the same issue and I agree that the correct behaviour should be to only lock properties in the current state unless there's a really good reason it can't be changed, at least offer an option to enable/disable.

In our case, we have a screen that has an In animation, an Idle animation and an Out animation. During the In animation some objects are animated, those same objects are not animated in the looped Idle animation and in our scripts we need to dynamically animate them but we can't because the properties that need to be changed are locked by the Animator.

Of course there are workarounds but it's taking a big chunk of time/money when this could be completely avoided with good documentation and an intuitive behaviour.

 

Does the updated solution mentioned in post #19 above (write defaults) solve your issues?

 

#19 didn't work for me. LateUpdate() is not overriding the actions of the Mecanim. I'll describe my issue since it appears that this is a pretty serious bug.



I have two blocks: both of them have scripts that change the material color to blue on LateUpdate(). B has a mecanim with two animations: one that changes the color to red, and one that doesn't do anything. It goes by default to the animation that doesn't do anything.

Now this is the strange part: even though the Animator is running the animation that makes no changes to the material, it still locks the property. The script can't change it on LateUpdate().

So apparently if any animation inside of any given Animator changes a property, mecanim stops any outsiders from changing it at any given state - regardless of whether the current animation affects it or not.

 

Lucas - I understand this is troublesome -
So the states are entry -> no change -> color red.
What is the purpose of the animation that doesn't do anything?

Could this possibly be caused by the component order in the inspector, the blue script and the animation component? I know this doesn't solve the overall issue outlined in this thread, but might be a 'fix' for your setup.

Are you using animator component or animation component for the red color change?

 

I have this same problem, I want to animate my UI, then change button colours on mouse events, it can't be done.

@Mecanim-Dev can't we have an exception for uGUI UI stuff? Doing colour changes to UI elements after fading them in using the animator is a pretty reasonable use case, but it's impossible right now, I need to animate my UI fade in using lerps in code because of the mecanim lockdown.

I have posted a reasonable use example here: https://forum.unity.com/threads/change-text-colour-after-animating.524788/

 

"Some people like it some people hate it, it depends on your needs.
We are working on a solution that will give you more flexibility but it not yet available."

Any news on this? The current behaviour is utter nonsense, if the animation currently playing doesn't animate a property, it should not be set, end of story. Not only is this counter intuative, it's a performance nightmare in the UI.

 

"Some people like it some people hate it, it depends on your needs." - sane people cannot like such a weird behavior, sorry.

 

I'm struggling with this as well.
LateUpdate() does not override the animation.

 

Same problem here.

 

Is there no fix for this yet? I have pool of enemies with Animators attached. If enemy dies it plays Death animation then disabled but when re-enabled(Spawn) then it spawns into the Death animation

 

In case it helps anybody out there (even if its an older thread). I was having the same issue as the OP. It was driving me nuts (and I couldn't get the right google search to find any help).

This worked for me.

Working on a simple word search game and, upon success, I wanted to play an animation for each letter/game object. If the "Success" animation changed the scale/sprite/etc, the initial state of that game object would be messed up. Disabling the Animator on the prefab fixed this but then the animation didn't work.

What did work was simply disabling the Animator in code. When creating the objects/letters from a prefab, I get the Animator component and set enabled = false (animator.enabled = false). If, right before I play an animation, I set animator.enabled = true on that object, it works as expected (at least for me). Not sure about best practice but it works and that beats trying to animate it through code.

 

What if have a idle animation that always plays