An advanced coder tweets problems with Unity editor. He thinks it is buggy beyond use.

thanks.

 

I was almost ready to reply to him on twitter with "You are having so much trouble with Unity. Maybe you don't know what you are doing because lots of other devs had made fantastic games with Unity." But I figured he know a lot more than I did so I did nothing.

 

Wow. That's a major misunderstanding of Unity, OOP, and C#.

Perhaps we should play a different game. Has he tweeted anything that's actually relevant to Unity developers?

 

you know....if he would be really interested in getting those bugs fixed and adressed, he would write bug reports to unity, instead of merely complaining about it It's not unitys responsibility to search for people that might have found bugs.....
not to mention, that if you are software developer or otherwise coder, you should know that there are always problems somewhere and people having to do workarounds.....it's just part of this.
If you are not willing to adapt to how an engine works, that you wanna use, then maybe you should make your own, because none will satisfy your exact needs anyway.

 

Damn, somebody could have said it sooner. I just deleted 2 years of work, cause there was no point in continuing with Unity.

 

Kidding mode, right?

 

Well, I wasn't about to stop using Unity. It's just that I haven't done much since 4.6 and early 5.x versions. I had the feeling that Unity was pretty stable then. So that guy's tweets made me worry that the latest version of Unity were getting really buggy due to all the new features and support of so many platforms.

 

You won't find an engine that doesn't have bugs. Sure, people find bugs in Unity all the time. But if you follow the other engines, you'll see it happens to them all the time, too. That's just software development.

Instead of worrying about how many bugs are found, worry about how many successful devs (especially developers at your level, Indie, AAA, etc) are able to successfully publish fun games that don't appear to have any major problems. If a lot of developers are using the engine successfully, then perhaps they know what they're doing and you're worrying for nothing.

Hint: Unity is used *a lot*.

 

It is not a good idea to make such assumptions.

When somebody knows more than you, they usually will have no problem proving it on the spot without preparations.

 

also, just because someone is experienced does not mean they know more about topic x or y than you do. My boss has 15 years more experience than i do, but we both agree i know my way around unity better.

 

Don't assume that somebody knows more than you just because they are louder than you. Some people are loud and seem knowledgeable only until you question what they are saying.

 

Then I put my interviewer hat on and say, "So your resume says you worked at NCSoft until 2008, and you've earned your postgraduate cert this year. What did you do from then until you started grad school?"

EDIT:
Er, I guess the answer is work on his company Red Glasses. Shame on you, interviewer.

 

Indeed. I agree, but there are always going to be problems with anything humans do. I don't mean to get in to a discussion about Stack Overflow, but from what I've heard they implemented a system which was supposed to "let the cream rise to the top" in terms of good citizens in the community. We saw that soon after its creation people began farming reputation and destroyed the sites reputation.

I mention that because that's exactly the kind of thing you're talking about here. If one were to implement some kind of system to quantify who is a good citizen and who isn't, there will always be that person who farms reputation to reach the top so they can do whatever they want.

I guess the moral is you just have to accept that some people will be dumb trolls, or just terrible people. How you handle them is what makes the difference.

 

I've noticed there are some programmers who are really good when coding from scratch but very bad/closed minded with using someone else's API. Like if there's one little thing they'd do differently they get unreasonably frustrated and don't bend to the program's paradigms.

 

Yeah mental illnesses are rife in this industry, regardless of technical competence. The fact people choose to attack instead of dialogue being the first option is evident of this.

 

Let's face it, we've all got something. We wouldn't be in the industry if we didn't.

 

It doesn't surprise me. Code is a very unnatural way for humans to think and operate. So it makes sense that we have a few other screws loose.

 

Also, some people are just jerks, and it's easier to be a jerk on the internet than in real life.

 

I've come to believe that there are essentially three phases programmers tend go through:

At first, when they're new, they don't have the experience to perceive flaws yet, so most things they work with just seem amazing, and if something doesn't work they think it must be their fault.

After gaining some experience, ideally with several technologies, they start seeing them. The Flaws. Suddenly, they are everywhere, everything is compromised in some way, and all things suddenly just suck. So they set out to correct those flaws and make everything better. After all, if you're the one who can see what's wrong, you must surely also be the one who's able to fix it.

Then, finally, usually after many, many frustrating years, you realize that your code just sucks as much as everyone else's. No matter how hard you try, it's always faulty in some way. At that point, you either just start hating your job, or you manage to make peace with, or even find solace in the fact that there is no such thing as perfect code, and simply move on with your life.

It seems Adam still is deeply in Phase 2, and I think that's perfectly okay.

Also, ignore Twitter, any opinion about software (or really, anything at all) that can be summarized in 140 characters is usually not worth reading.

 

One of the many channels for marketing your game to potential players. Letting them in on your development stories can result in some valuable feedback. Of course, "development stories" doesn't mean "bitch sessions" like this guy thinks it is. Or maybe it *is* working... He's making enough noise to get a Unity thread about him to Page 2.

@Ryiah, pretty sure you already know this. Just leaving the response for those that don't actually understand the benefit of Twitter.

 

If he reads this and replies, this thread will easily go to page 3.

 

I can't believe you're all still talking about this guy, honestly.

 

OK I'm a big critic of Unity, I always want to make it better, so if this guy has some good feedback on improving the UX in Unity great.

However I have been using Unity for a few years now and the editor has never been the largest problem I have had with Unity. Most of the time it works great and allows me to make games.

I'm sure it can be greatly improved it's UX design is certainly looking dated now so maybe it needs a revamp. Is it a nightmare to use, no.

Note see sig for all the games I have made with Unity (over 40 games and apps on itch.io).

 

If we make it to page 3, will we be rewarded with a "Page 3 Girl"?

 

I can code in various dead dialects of Basic, C, C#, Python, Smalltalk (and C++ if a gun is pointed at my head), and two lost versions of assembly language. I made my first game in 1984 with Applesoft Basic and 6502 assembly language. I have coded with various text editors and IDE's and I think making a game WITHOUT the Unity editor is a nightmare. To me the Unity editor is a dream in ease of use when making a game. Unfortunately it also allows one to create extremely brittle and highly coupled code.

 

Unity merely gives you more undocumented rope to hang yourself with. I can't imagine going back to the dark ages though.

Yeah, you can have her earlier:

 

When that image first appeared I added some text.
He looks a bit like an arrogant ladies man in that pose, who enjoys a bit of PBR.

 

Going to lock this now because it's really just discussing an individual and I'm not sure I like that. He is entitled to his opinions and as far as I'm concerned, that's fine.