Official 3D Game Kit Beta Feedback

3D Game Kit Beta! Get it Here!





In February we released the 2D Game Kit on the Asset Store, we also had a beta version up on the store over the Christmas break to gather your feedback and issues so we could make it better. If you were a part of the OG 2D Game Kit Beta crowd, thank you for your help in making it awesome!

Today we have released the Beta for the 3D version of the Game Kit and we’d like your help in checking it out and tell us what anything whacky going on in the project.

Please note this project is intended for 2018.1b13 and above!


What do we need from you?

We’re planning on launching this in a few weeks and we’d like some more testers to see if gameplay is working and to catch any edge cases that might occur while building some levels.

Before playing:

Depending on your hardware you may need to change Unity’s Quality settings which will enable the example game’s performance to improve, to do this got to;

• Edit > Project Settings > Quality

The default is set to Fantastic to change this;

• Click on the word Fastest to change the project to the lowest quality

Try different settings for the best quality setting for you.





What to include in feedback and bugs:

Please include:

• Your machine’s specs at the top of your posts!
  
  
• Version of Unity you’re using
  
  
• The name of the scene you are running
  
  
• Screenshots or video capture
  
  
• A thorough description of the problem and how to reproduce it
  
  
• If the issue is related to performance please include information and screenshots of your profiler and machine information.

Known Issues!

We have a number of known issues at the moment that we’re working to resolve before release;

Once the project is imported please close the editor and re-open the project. This will initialise the Package Manager and clear errors in the project.

• Performance issues on all levels of hardware on the example project
  
  • Long import times
  • If you experience this please still report them with the information listed above.
    
  • Long import time
  • Level02 has the most difficulties.
  • Creating new scenes and creating something new with the kit should have no issues

• Crashes:
  
  • The project may crash the editor and then you will not be able to open it again. If this happens please either delete the Library folder and re-open the project. Or, open the project in Beta 2018.12, close and re-open in 2018.13.
• Audio
  
  • Unmixed
    
    
  • Missing sounds
    
    
  • Missing Music
    
    
  • Unfinished sounds

• Gameplay
  
  • Chompers (little pink dudes) get stuck or run on the spot
    
    
  • Destructible boxes physics can launch into the sky by jumping on them
    
    
  • Destructible boxes can spin off into the distance if placed on a moving platform and the platform reaches the end of its path
    
    
  • Level02 has uneven terrain, have to jump to progress in parts
    
    
  • Can escape Level02 by jumping on plants and just run around on the outside of the level

• Other
  
  • Some floating pillars in Level02

And some additional information if you’re new to this type of project

What is a Gamekit?


A project designed in such a way so that gameplay, art and puzzles can be created without using code in Unity. This project is perfect to get more familiar with Unity whether you’re an artist, designer or even just starting your game development journey.

Within the Kit you will find a collection of gameplay elements, tools and systems that can be hooked up without code. We’ve also created a small game example using this system.

What is it for?

We’re trying to provide beginners and non-coders more agency in the Editor, while hopefully allowing them to get more familiar with how Unity works. If you have not checked out the 2D Game Kit you can download it here.


Thank you so much for trying it out and we’re excited to see what you do with it.

 

This looks really amazing!
One question though, will I be able to update a project that is using beta version of the kit with official releases (1.0 and on) or I'll have to create a new project and import everything again?
Also any estimate official release date?

 

So I have been playing around on it and it is exactly what I was looking for the other day as a learning resource.

The issue I have with it tho, and it's noted, is the performance is horrible. You can be looking at a rock wall and as long as you are facing the direction of the rest of the level your performance sinks to unplayable levels. I have not used Unity in a few years so I do not know the direct cause or fix of this so if anyone has any suggestions on where to start or what to fix it would be appreciated. Yes I know turning it down in the quality can make it run better but assuming you want this to run well on fantastic, and it should on my machine, what is the solution.

Hopefully this will get fixed for the final release =)

 

You say it should run on fantastic on your machine, what are your specs?

 

Which SRP does the kit use ?

 

How do your strategy for the game kits mesh with your plans for the Playground Project? https://github.com/UnityTechnologies/PlaygroundProject/

They both seem pedagogical in nature. I've actually been considering extending the Playground philosophy to 3D and VR but now the gamekits are out they obviously seem like a better starting point.

My main interest is in creating a workflow to allow non-developers a route in to VR content creation. I think it should be aimed at:

1. People who won't ever want to learn programming but might want to use this as a basis to learn the other aspects of 3D development without needing a programmer on hand.
2. People who are wary of programming but might make the transition if there were a smooth learning path

 

There is no .sln solution for visual studio or am i missing something, because i have never used Unity 2018 before (i only downloaded it for this kit, otherwise im using 2017).

Normally i just double click on a c# file and it opens the solution in visual studio, but in this project when i double click on a c# file it opens visual studio and i get a error message, that the .sln file doesn't exist, do i have to change something for Unity 2018?

 

Is it ok to use materials & scripts & physics & models for my own benefit?

 

Oooh this is cool, gonna try it out right away.

 

I noticed a problem when the character is standing on a box. The box seems to jiggle.

 

The "FireFlies" particle systems in Level02 are absolutely destroying my performance. When I remove them everything is fine

 

A heads up that the 2018.1.0b13 isn't showing as an option in Unity hub yet but you can get it direct from website.

 

@Aurore Okay what kind of black magic is this? since when transparent object in unity receive shadow?
Edit : No, wait this is custom shadow. I need to digest this water (shaders)

 

@Aurore
Can i just put the report here?

i7-6700 3.40
RAM 16GB
GTX 1070

Unity 2018.0b13
General[Happened in all Level]

• No Save/Load Game? game always starting from the beginning when i press start
• No Leg IK for the MainChar?

• It seems everything that triggered for the first time (FX,Event, Particle) causing a massive spike. For example the crystal in Level01, any first crystal that i've triggered it freeze the game for couple ms. And the next crystal triggered just fine.

Level01


The first PressurePad in level01 can be triggered multiple time, even when it is already active.
it keep playing the sound effect and popping up the dialog box.
Edit : it seems this is also happening with all pressure pad

Standing here, you can hear the Bos Footstep.

Level02
Occlusion Culling Broken?

it seems occlusion culling are incorrect in level02,
in the beginning of level02 rotate the view to right side, the performance will degrade a lot due all the object behind this cliff are apparently not occluded

Just like @PhilSA reported, fireflies also degrade the performance a lot

 

1800X , GTX970, 16GB RAM, Sata SSD's (Unity / project on different drives)
2018.1.0b13

Project Import time: 22mins

Fantastic quality setting:
Also saw the in editor spikes when items first triggered, but that didn't apply on following throughs in editor

 

Hi, overall really impressed. All models and surfaces look amazing. Like the crystal pretty much and all the stones. Vegetation is simply awesome and characters as well - really cool animations.
Well all feels really, pretty nice.

The project did import for around 30-40 minutes.

Tested on AMD FX6100 - 6 core 3.3GHz, 8 GB Ram, GTX 750Ti - 2GB Ram. Tested on 720p resolution.
Unity 2018.1 b13

Issues:

* i couldn't get it to build - "FilterLOD" script seems to be out of Editor folder - throws an error when trying to build:
Assets/Scripts/FilterLOD.cs(5,19): error CS0234: The type or namespace name `SceneManagement' does not exist in the namespace `UnityEditor'. Are you missing an assembly reference?
* I saw an issue with some transparent objects ( in level 2) - they were not fully transparent ( can't find them now ).
* there are some colliders on places that they do not seem to be needed
* biggest issue however - it is not performant enough. For what's visible on screen it does not feel well. Comparing with other engines and what i can put in a scene and it feels much smoother.
- NOTE : lowering quality settings does not help much. Can't decide if it is CPU bounded or GPU bounded project. Seems to require more GPU power as the FPS is lower with 2000 drawcalls and with 10000 drawcalls. Not sure if the engine is capable of that much or the project needs optimization ( guess so )

But however it is really really nice quality project, and it is a great learning resource !

P.S. i manged to build the project now by moving the "FilterLOD" script into an Editor folder and it actually feels so much smoother now even with that hardware .
P.S. 2 - actually only at the lowest quality i can get some smooth frame rate at lower resolution with this hardware

 

Found another issue - when playing at lower quality settings, the door that need to be opened by finding the 3 crystals in Level 1, is culled by the LOD system and you can see what's behind.

 

Hi again !
One thing, i just decided to test under DX12 to see it there is any improvements in framerate but i am getting some "UnityException: FindKernel failed" errors related to the Post Processing Stack:
* MultiScaleVO.cs and
* PostProcessLayer.cs

I understand that DX12 is in preview and not yet supported but will be great if you talk to engineers if they can have a look at this so we can test it in DX12 as well !

Thanks !

 

I will let "OfficialAshez" to answer this, but i will guess that the question is "are we allowed" to use the assets in our own projects. I would really like to use ( if possible ) a couple of them ( like the crystal and a couple of the stone objects, because they look really nice ). So in case i am wrong with translating the question, could you please be kind and tell us under what license the project will be released !?

I would like to use the crystal very much

Thank You !

 

@JacekPapaPolski i found a water ripple script on the project but didn't see any ripple effect on any water, what is this for actually?
Also is it a good idea doing blur with grabpass actually? (Pure Curiousity)

 

I've seen a demo and it looks great! Can't wait to try it

 

Got a few more:

* The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object 'Staff_Light_Fog') is missing!
* Dropship is not marked as Read/Write and i got an error that LOD3 Mesh can not be used as a mesh collider. But got this error at some point and not in the beginning, and after that error i couldn't get into the ship !

 

A wall ( WallLong02_LOD00 (1) ) is missing a collider:

 

Sorry, but it's not. For beginners (like me), the prototype is a good reason not to use Unity. Too large and too unoptimized to even try to begin to learn from it.
~1,5 hours import project, about 15 minutes before the game starts from the editor, 0.1-12fps in first level... wtf? 60 mb textures 4k in .tiff? But after all, on 4k jpeg textures you can distinguish the pores of the skin and they take up to 5 times less space ... I do not know, maybe I'm just a lamer and do not understand anything.
Alt+F4, Shift+Del. Thanks, but for now even Witcher 3 or MEA look much more workable on my hardware (and of course much more interesting). i5-2.3, 4Gb DDR3, GF 540 1Gb, W8.1x64. I'm sad.

 

It there an installation guide? I downloaded asset, meshtext, cinemachine und post process but cant run game. Iam getting

Assets/Cinemachine/PostFX/CinemachinePostProcessing.cs(15,29): error CS0234: The type or namespace name `PostProcessing' does not exist in the namespace `UnityEngine.Rendering'. Are you missing an assembly reference?

 

Restart Unity if there are errors on a fresh project + import. This is because the dependencies aren't there yet, but unity will sort that when you restart due to manifest.

TLDR: error = restart

 

For my own games to being published.

 

Could you separate asset library from scripts ?
I would like to learn how did you make script for opening the door and try to make with my own.
But I don't want to download 4GB of files just for the script.

 

Did i need import meshtext, cinemachine and post process??? Why the error still appear after i import these package?

 

@UnityGuillaume would the same trick work for particle?

 

Are we allowed to use the fundamentals of this to create our own game? Basically, using our own assets to create the world, etc, etc but using the code persae to create a game?

 

Got it, Thank you.

 

Sure, but you don't have the source code for Witcher 3 or MEA, so you won't learn much about game dev from them.

4K Tiff texture allow the layers in a texture to be preserved, so an artist can take them and modify them. Jpg format will not preserve the layers, making them much less useful for artists.

Also, a video card / cpu that is 7 years old will not serve you well for modern game development. If you want to explore modern technology and development you are going to need something more recent. Game development is usually much more demanding on hardware than the product of game development, games.

 

Going to take quite a bit of optimisation from Unity. Unlike Adam this is realtime, so performance is going to be judged. You could use this to record the lack of optimisation in it today (it looks like it's thrown together by new developers with no strategy or experience in terms of optimisations at the moment) and then blog about how you optimised it.

Yes totally understand. But others probably won't so I gently suggest adjusting the expectations of users. Hence a little more incentive, perhaps for Unity to blog a little about optimisation strategies. At some point, people are going to use your scripts and then build with similar un-optimised strategies because that is what this content is teaching, not just the scripts even if unintentional.

Sorry to be a pain etc, just pointing out what I think people will expect from it.

 

FWIW, I'm getting 60fps on my 2016 MacBook Pro.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "lack of optimisation", but I'll take a guess. The profiler tells me that the vast majority of time in this project is spent in Cinemachine code and in Camera.Render - this is not surprising, considering the amount of content in the levels, and the interesting stuff like shadows on transparent objects, billions of particle systems... and lots of animated shaders. Therefore, you will get very little performance from optimising any of the C# code (unless you wish to take apart and optimise Cinemachine, which is it's own discrete package?). To see this, just change your editor quality settings to 'Fastest'. My fps doubles on this setting.

To get more performance, you will need to reduce the quality to match your target device, which probably should not be a mobile device! Eg, Modify the per-layer culling distances (on each camera), spend (a lot of) time tuning the occlusion culling, disable the realtime water reflection, remove post-processing effects, remove the skybox camera etc.

 

I'm happy that it runs well on your laptop though, must mean Unity has done a lot of decent work over time to combat wasteful workflows at the engine level. The fact remains though it is under performing by a long shot with absurd draw call counts and a lot of places for optimisation.

Again I understand it's about the components. I gave my feedback which will not change, that people might need to have it made a bit more clear that the components are the star, even though the art is rather lovely.

 

I think I misunderstood your first comment to suggest that code optimisation would improve the performance of the project.

Personally, I would not say this project is all about the components. They are simple and functional, and illustrate some simple techniques for using Unity to make gameplay development designer friendly. Yes, it is a very pretty project, it can even hold up to scrutiny at 4k resolution, and you're going to need absurd draw calls, shader passes etc to achieve that. I would argue that the art is a big step up from previous projects. There is a lot of low poly content and tutorials out there, it's nice to see something that stretches hardware capabilities.

There is a class of developer, usually more art oriented, that worries about how great things look first, then they consider performance. It's all relative. I remember fretting over 10 draw calls on my first iOS project. The next day one of my students trashed Unity because he couldn't use full res shadow mapping across his entire game world... in one camera view. I think that this project caters more to that type of dev.

 

Actually it would be great if you guys can try to optimize as much as you can, so take your time or do it as an update/patch, as long as the player/executable are very optimize this project can be a standard or an example of what you can achieve with unity (let's not forget book of the dead, but let's not going of topic) especially when the example are comes from unity itself.

 

any idea whats now wrong? C:/ProgramData/Unity/cache/packages/packages.unity.com/com.unity.textmeshpro@1.2.2/Scripts/Runtime/TMP_Text.cs(4864,64): error CS0121: The call is ambiguous between the following methods or properties: `TMPro.TMPro_ExtensionMethods.Multiply(this UnityEngine.Color32, UnityEngine.Color32)' and `TMPro.TMPro_ExtensionMethods.Multiply(this UnityEngine.Color32, UnityEngine.Color32)'

 

The Real MVP.

 

Hey everyone.
I pulled in all the packages needed to fix the initial compile errors..tho im getting this now. Anyone get anything similar when they decompressed the package?

Assets/Scripts/Game/Helpers/CameraSettings.cs(81,38): error CS1061: Type `Cinemachine.AxisState' does not contain a definition for `m_InvertInput' and no extension method `m_InvertInput' of type `Cinemachine.AxisState' could be found. Are you missing an assembly reference?

 

Hi, you do not need to download any packages. To fix the initial errors simply restart the editor after you import the project and then all errors are fixed !

 

Here are the warning messages I'm getting after importing and reloading the project:

• [Auto Package] : Checking if required package are included
  UnityEngine.Debug:Log(Object)
  PackageChecker:CheckPackage() (at Assets/Scripts/Editor/PackageManagerAssembly/PackageManagerChecker.cs:26)
  UnityEditor.EditorAssemblies: ProcessInitializeOnLoadAttributes()
  
• Assets/Scripts/Editor/StandardParticlesShaderGUI.cs(116,9): warning CS0612: `UnityEditor.ColorPickerHDRConfig' is obsolete
  
• Assets/Scripts/Editor/StandardParticlesShaderGUI.cs(410,30): warning CS0618: `UnityEditor.MaterialEditor.TexturePropertyWithHDRColor(UnityEngine.GUIContent, UnityEditor.MaterialProperty, UnityEditor.MaterialProperty, UnityEditor.ColorPickerHDRConfig, bool)' is obsolete: `Use TexturePropertyWithHDRColor(GUIContent label, MaterialProperty textureProp, MaterialProperty colorProperty, bool showAlpha)'
  
• Assets/Scripts/Editor/StandardParticlesShaderGUI.cs(436,34): warning CS0618: `UnityEditor.MaterialEditor.TexturePropertyWithHDRColor(UnityEngine.GUIContent, UnityEditor.MaterialProperty, UnityEditor.MaterialProperty, UnityEditor.ColorPickerHDRConfig, bool)' is obsolete: `Use TexturePropertyWithHDRColor(GUIContent label, MaterialProperty textureProp, MaterialProperty colorProperty, bool showAlpha)'
  
• Assets/Scripts/Editor/StandardParticlesShaderGUI.cs(116,59): warning CS0612: `UnityEditor.ColorPickerHDRConfig' is obsolete
  
• Assets/BugTrackerPlugin/Editor/Backends/GithubBugReportBackend.cs(355,27): warning CS0649: Field `BugReporter.GithubBugReportBackend.GithubIssueData.url' is never assigned to, and will always have its default value `null'
  
• Assets/BugTrackerPlugin/Editor/Backends/GitlabBugReporterBackend.cs(465,27): warning CS0649: Field `BugReporter.GitlabImageUploader.GitlabUploadResponse.url' is never assigned to, and will always have its default value `null'
  
• Assets/BugTrackerPlugin/Editor/Backends/ImageUpload/ImgurUploader.cs(76,27): warning CS0649: Field `BugReporter.ImgurUploader.ImgurUploadResponse.link' is never assigned to, and will always have its default value `null'
  
• Assets/BugTrackerPlugin/Editor/Backends/ImageUpload/ImgurUploader.cs(83,22): warning CS0649: Field `BugReporter.ImgurUploader.DataWrapper<T>.data' is never assigned to, and will always have its default value
  Assets/BugTrackerPlugin/Editor/BugTrackerWindow.cs(18,21): warning CS0414: The private field `BugTrackerWindow.scrollPosition' is assigned but its value is never used

 

- Thanks man.