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3950x got a release date 25 nov!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by AndersMalmgren, Nov 7, 2019.

  1. AndersMalmgren

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    Jump on the hype train guys. This will be a beast of a CPU for scrap money. You gotta love AMD for turning the tide on the CPU market
     
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  2. Lurking-Ninja

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    Well I'm as much excited about this CPU as you're, but I wouldn't call a price tag $750 "scrap money".
     
  3. AndersMalmgren

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    Before Ryzen what did a 16 core CPU cost? Lets just hope someone charges nvidia in the same way. The pricing on RTX is insane
     
  4. Lurking-Ninja

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    This is not the point. The point is, $750 is not a small amount of money. Even though it is considerably less than what you pay for an Intel CPU.

    The rumor says the 3xxx series of Nvidia cards will be cheaper.
     
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  5. AndersMalmgren

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    What you and I think are little money is individual. But 750 USD for a 16 core CPU is scrap money, thats not individual. No one can say otherwise.
     
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  6. Lurking-Ninja

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    Oh okay. I shut up now.
     
  7. AndersMalmgren

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    let me explain basic economics. whats alot of money is up to your wallet, aka individual. Whats value for money is not individual. You can have 2 million USD on the bank, a RTX will still not be value for money. At the sametime, you can be piss poor and the 3950x is still great value for the money
     
  8. Ryiah

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    Seeing as we're not that far away from the 4000 series I've already decided to skip buying a 3950X for now. Once the 4000 series launches and we have a rough idea of how it performs versus the 3000 series I might buy a 3950X then and if I'm lucky the price will have come down too.
     
  9. AndersMalmgren

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    4000 is APU only

    edit: Though the new TR lineup will be interesting
     
  10. Ryiah

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    I haven't heard anything of the sort. What I have heard is that it's Zen 3 meaning it's not just a minor revision like the 2000 series (aka Zen+).
     
  11. AndersMalmgren

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    4000 coming early 2020 is mobile market APUs for laptop
     
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    I've got a Ryzen 7 3800X. Best chip I've had. The Ryzen 9 3950X is on my buy list for xmass.
     
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    I'm not overly happy with my 2700x though its better than my 1800x was. I really hope the 3950x will be "intel-stable" (Zen2 is alot better than Zen+ was so im optimisitc)
     
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    Way to miss the point. Nobody's arguing economics, value for money or market value. The point is your specific and repeated choice of the word "scrap", which is very much individual.

    I'm pretty sure I could happily run a small studio on what you throw away because a shinier thing came out.
     
  17. ShilohGames

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    I grabbed the AMD Ryzen 3900X for my workstation back in August. I love the CPU for productivity tasks. If I had not already bought that, I would definitely be in line to grab the 3950X.
     
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    Send the throw away in my direction, if the postal allow it :D
     
  19. AndersMalmgren

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    Its scrap money relative to what you get. And it's scrap money in absolute terms too, but that's very individual, can we please focus on this awesome CPU instead?
     
  20. AndersMalmgren

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    TR numbers just released

     
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    Anyone paying that much for a CPU is insane!
     
  22. GameDevCouple_I

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    What, no that is in no way 'economics'. Its fine to suggest that your idea is right and someone is wrong, but just dont make stuff up and shut others down based on that.

    FYI Value of something in economics (as in the actual social science) is measured relative to unit of currency, and therefore what is "value for money" for one is certainly not value for another. It is 100 percent individual (as in the exact opposite of what you said), and your going to have to go back and argue with every economics lecturer to ever teach economics around the world if you want the idea of "value" to fit your description.

    What is value to someone in europe is not of the same "value" to someone in say bangladesh. $750 is value for money for you relative to your currency unit, socio-economic status, local region etc etc etc etc , but not for someone in another region, its as simple as that.

    On topic: I too am hyped for the 3950x, I have a really really really old setup right now that I have taken to the brink of death and am finally upgrading to all flashy parts, and hyped. (this is because normally I just use my work machine for dev as I have a work machine for home too)
     
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  23. AndersMalmgren

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    You are half right, since whats value for one doesnt need to be value for someone else. For example, some might not need a 16 core monster with crazy cache lines. Then its more value to buy a cheaper CPU thats true.

    But if you are on the market for a good 16 core CPU, then 750 USD is cheap as dirt.
     
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    my previous 6600k overclocked to 4.7ghz did better than my 3800x ryzen.. in games disappointment really.. worst the motherboard is end of the line as far as future upgrades for upcoming AMD chips in the future go...

    I just wish the cpu/intel board I had didn't break... I would have gladly stayed on it for another year or two... instead had to get a new cpu/mobo and well 3800x was kinda it, had the intel setup broken in december for sure would get the 3950x.. oh well

    frankly amd is abit weird, red dead 2 didn't even work until I updated the freaking bios.. I mean wtf is it with amd poor drivers.
     
  25. AndersMalmgren

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    I agree that AMD has a QA problem. Intel is a much more stable platform.

    But your 3800x must have some kind of fault. It should blow the i5 out of the water
     
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    The 6600k was overclocked on watercooling, the 3800x is still using wraith cooler, from what I'm seeing it has rubbish overclocking potential..hell from the community complaints it doesn't even really stay to its marketed Ghz potential underload either, so yeah compared to the i5 @4.7ghz it sucks in games borderlands3 benchmark was like 65fps on max everything at 1440p and 3800x was 58fps... still having 8cores I guess its alright...it makes all windows 10 S***ty useless spyware phonehome riddled services chewing cpu and all the rest of modern software stack o'background crap doing similar dumb S*** less noticeable on overall cpu usage.
     
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    Still on haswell here, seems fine. Not sure what everyone is spending CPU time on these days in an age where practically everything is GPU baked and bottlenecked by the SSD.

    Now show me a card that can beat the 2070S at half the price and I'll be wowed big time.
     
  28. ShilohGames

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    Well, you should expect the motherboards to need the latest BIOS to fully support the latest CPUs. Note that this is true for both AMD and Intel. Complaining about needing to update the BIOS to support new CPUs is like complaining about the sun coming up each morning.

    Honestly, I think AMD has done a fantastic job of supporting AM4 over a long period of time. I have a 3900X in a X470 board, and it is amazing. By contrast, I also own a bunch of different Intel systems. Those Intel systems cannot swap CPU and motherboard parts, because Intel obsoletes their sockets so quickly. For example, if I have an i7-4770K, an i7-6700K, and an i9-9900K. I cannot drop an i9-10980XE into any of those systems. But you can drop a 3900X or 3950X into most AM4 boards with a BIOS update.
     
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    I switched out my well aged Haswell workstation (i7-4770K) this year for an AMD 3900X. The performance difference is massive and well worth the upgrade.
     
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  30. AndersMalmgren

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    If we talk single thread performance the 3800x boosts to 4.5 ghz and with its superior IPC over the 6600k it should kill it even in single core perf.
     
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  31. AndersMalmgren

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    Yeah I'm still on my x370 mobo, will try it with the 3950x and see how stable it is. Otherwise I will upgrade to a x570. Problem is my crosshair vi hero supports AM3 coolers which my custom loop CPU block uses. Need to upgrade that to a AM4 cooler, clear out the water from the loop. So really hope the crosshair will work
     
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    I have an x570 (end of the line for future AMD cpu's so yeah pretty much the same as intel switching socket every gen).. and the last thing you'd expect for a bios that is on the board shipped in june2019.. is the need for a fking bios update just to run a game released less than 6months later!

    and yet it doesn't in my own comparisons for previous overclocked cpu I had and the current... because it really isn't that great.. https://www.extremetech.com/computi...amd-ryzen-3000-cpus-dont-hit-full-boost-clock

    I mean there is S*** tons of articles and posts about it everywhere.. only got the cpu because it was good price/perf wise.. and couldn't wait for 3950x but I'm not a fanboy for the company.
     
  33. Player7

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    I do agree, the cpu updates in the last few years have just being pathetic really in comparison to gpu improvements... I blame intel mostly, it just seems amd has finally been able to jump ahead lately.
     
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    If your new CPU is underperforming, it may be issues with settings and tweaks in Windows. For example, there have been huge stuttering issues with PUBG that seem to randomly occur on some Windows 10 computers but not on others. Even my i9-9900K with a RTX2080ti stuttered in PUBG until I did a bunch of tweaks in Windows. I was averaging over 230 FPS in PUBG but getting a 100ms frame every 3-4 seconds. There are tweaks that benefit both AMD and Intel systems.

    For example, disable HPET using an admin level command prompt.
    bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock
    bcdedit /set disabledynamictick yes

    Next, disable Windows Prefetch using regedit.
    Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\PrefetchParameters
    in that key, change the EnablePrefetcher value from 3 to 0

    After you do those two things, reboot and retest your computer using your favorite game. You will likely see a big improvement.

    You should also disable Windows Gamebar.
    Start->Settings->Gaming->Game bar
    turn off "Record game clips, screenshots, and broadcast using Game bar"

    And I also recommend excluding your Steam folder from Windows Anti-malware scans, since Steam already scan for virus and malware on the server side and the Windows based scanner can easily corrupt Steam games during downloads and updates.

    If you use Discord, disable "Hardware Acceleration" in Discord, since that feature using the GPU to try to improve sound quality. That feature can actually interfere with games running and cause stuttering.
     
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    It seems a little absurd that in 2019, one needs to fiddle with windows for good gaming performance. This sounds really much more like a bug that epic should look into... since a well-behaved app should never be affected by those tweaks.

    It's as if epic's timers are basically a set precision at a set rate to prevent cheating but it also ends up having a throttling effect.
     
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    It's neat and cool, maybe i am just grizzled and old now but I see it as a shiny object now. I could totally upgrade to a 3950x over my 5700K and get a 2080Ti over my 970 GTX. But in reality it isn't going to really improve my life, it's not going to make me code faster, be more creative, improve my art, focus better and release my game faster.
     
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    Some companies need extremely high performance to be able to deliver their product on time, and for the rest of us that extremely high performance processor means being able to deliver more work in that time frame. Once you look into what the performance can do for you that three thousand can go from insane to suddenly not that big.
     
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    Well the 2080ti is the better upgrade, the 5700k can be overclocked and unless you need more cores for anything it's worth sticking to for as long as possibe..I'm jreally ust pissed I had to upgrade the mobo/cpu earlier than I wanted too :)

    I had stuttering with PUBG on another older gen intel cpu,the 6600k it was fine and the 3800x it was fine without any setting nonsense to try and fix the stuttering... I do still it was an Epic unreal engine issue to sort out or something weird the devs behind PUBG did with timing issues... is plenty of threads and some videos about it.

    anyway the 3800x under performs in games, I literally took my main drive ssd from the intel cpu/mobo machine and moved to amd cpu/mobo so the winshit10 settings were basically the same, and 3800x just doesn't do as good as the 6600k@4.7ghz in single core/games...is plenty of benchmarks showing similar really, though they usually just show stock cpu comparisons and not overclocked..still I think even for a newer intel cpu's squeezing 10-20% increases by overclocking are a thing of the past sadly :(
     
  39. AndersMalmgren

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    I'm not a fanboy either, both my 2700x and 1800x was more or less trash. I have a friend that claims he can boost to 4.5 but he is very much a AMD fanboy :)
     
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    I agree, but it is the way it currently is. In 2019, we should expect Windows 10 to come with defaults that deliver smooth gameplay, but that is not quite the case. Some tweaking is needed on some Windows computers.
     
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    If you carried over your existing Windows boot drive from your old Intel system to your new AMD system, you may be running into driver issues. I would recommend installing a fresh install of Windows 10 and checking the performance on your AMD system again.

    Remember that Windows re-detected the new hardware when you carried your drive over. Your old drivers are still there, and may or may not conflict. Your new drivers are also there, and may or may not be configured the same. For example, Windows may have detected different hardware and then automatically enabled HPET, even though most gamers definitely want HPET disabled. It is worth double checking the HPET on your computer. Don't assume Windows kept anything the same.

    Also, use FRAPS to generate a couple minutes of frametime logs for your favorite game. Then graph that data using FRAFS. That will help you find any microstutters. Average framerate is often not enough information to really track down what is going on.
     
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    You never ever keep a windows install between mobos. It's a one way street to world of hurt. Also always use DDU before installing new GPU drivers
     
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    But what are you gonna use it for? Please don't say CPU Lightmapping with PLM? Haha
     
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    Thats one usage, but for now Enlighten. But also Project Acoustics take alot of CPU
     
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    Can you still use enlighten though, doesn't it worry you it is going to be deprecated? Cool I never knew acoustics need lots of CPU.
     
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    I'd be interested to know what you've spec'ed, care to share?

    I'm about to drop 2K with pcspecialist, for an RTX GPU build.
     
  47. AndersMalmgren

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    It will work atleast throughout 2019 lifetime. But yeah, maybe PLM will be usefull before we move to 2020 ;)

    edit: I ment when you bake the acoustics info from a scene, its not that hard on the client
     
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    Good grief baking acoustics! I gave up at light mapping, now I only bake cupcakes.
     
  49. AndersMalmgren

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    Its the future for game audio, just listen to my quick demo I did. (use headphones for full effect)

     
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    I did check and HPET is disabled/not on, so nothing like that is slowing it down.

    Normally I'd agree but in this case the switch of cpu/mobo was seamless apart from the initial windows startup having to do some extra stuff... it all works.. I'm sure I'll get around to formatting and reinstalling at some point but for now I don't see the lower performance in single core/games perf being anything other than the cpu... I'll be sure to run a benchmark of before and after an os wipe and reinstall just to confirm at some future time period though.