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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by rsr, Aug 12, 2013.

  1. rsr

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  2. antenna-tree

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    Yeah, you're not the first person to think about making risqué content in Unity. You think the porn industry missed the opportunity to make interactive content with the Unity web plug-in?
     
  3. KheltonHeadley

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    Use RPG Maker.
     
  4. KRGraphics

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    To be honest, I would not even entertain an idea like this... you can make the game, and hoping for the best.
     
  5. antenna-tree

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    Why not make it? If that's your thing there's obviously plenty of money to be made in it. The offensive aspect of porn or strip clubs is the exploitation of people. If it's virtual then that's obviously less of a problem.

    I wasn't joking earlier... the porn industry does indeed use Unity for some truly bizarre stuff. IIRC there was a Unity web "game" about sex in zero gravity a few years ago ;)

    I personally find it less offensive than Unity being used for gambling TBH.
     
  6. KRGraphics

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    When was this?
     
  7. antenna-tree

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    Unity is used by all the top gambling companies at this point for video slot machines in casinos.

    http://unity3d.com/company/gambling
     
  8. KRGraphics

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  9. _Max_

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    As I work in the gambling industry, I actually saw a demo of this at the Ice expo/conference in London...
    Unity team created a simple slots game..It has a lot of potential, kill flash and old technologies, about time..
     
  10. dogzerx2

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    *cough* Unity pr0n + oculus rift *couch*

    What? :-0
     
  11. I am da bawss

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    There were couple of those adults only games developed (or under development) using Unity -
    Just a cursory search turned up this one :



    https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3524&p=43948

    So, its not really new, and I am pretty sure Unity's EULA doesn't prohibit you from developing this kind of game. And Unity at corporate level probably would NOT like to have itself associated with X-Rated adult games, but since EULA and the recently released Unity Logo official usage guide never prohibit such use, I am pretty sure you are free to use it to promote your game too.



    http://unity3d.com/company/public-relations/brand



    BTW, I think it is encouraging to see people are starting to explore other non-traditional even controversial game ideas - there is another thread of someone who wants to make an "illegal immigrant game" that sounds kinda racist and exploitative - while it is distasteful, just like this one above, but I think this is all part of being the most popular engine and people trying to find the "unexplored" avenue or niche market. UT should not try to stop it - the market itself will reflect upon the success (or more likely failure) of these games.
     
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  13. pixelsteam

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    Are we entering the age of the "Orgasmatron" ala Wood Allen.
     
  14. lmbarns

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    I made an AR app where nude models jump out of the target dancing but bailed on it. There's a big adult app store, but it's really hard to advertise, youtube and the regular app stores don't allow nudity. I know people upload it on YT but it's against their terms.

    There are definitely some amazing models on turbosquid for a pretty penny.
     
  15. Grespon

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    I confess I already thought about making adult games. It never passed my mind that Unity would probably prohibit it's use.
     
  16. Rodolfo-Rubens

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    Well, you already have the shaders to do the... hm...
     
  17. Grespon

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    You mean Wet Shaders ? That was dirty :D
     
  18. Zeblote

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    Why don't people instead of asking others whether certain things are permitted, actually read the license agreement?
     
  19. The Ghost

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    This thread is hilarious.
     
  20. Darkjayson

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    You know adult theme games are usually the ones with the biggest amount of plays.

    Go to any flash site that allows them think newgrounds or other such, search for any M or A rated games and flash movies on there and check out the view count now compare this to the other rated games and you will see the M and A rated games/movies out play them by a lot.

    You know I wish there where more decent games with adult content rather than crude titillation(yes that is a word). Why is it you can make a game where you blow peoples heads apart and everyone goes Ooo nice shaders on the brain splatter. Yet show one nipple and everyone goes nuts :/
     
  21. HolBol

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    I think these things are just kinda sad. Just sayin'.
     
  22. nipoco

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    Really?!

    I find it more sad that people have no problems with ultra violent games, but when it comes to adult games, it is huge issue.
    Nudity and sex is natural. Killing others brutally with firearms, or mutilating them with a knife not so much IMO.

    Strange world.

    I guess it comes also down to your cultural background. The majority of US, and british people are usually more prude when it comes to nudity. I don't blame them. They grew up with that mindset around them.

    Personally, I have no need for playing adult games. But from a business perspective I think this is quite a untapped market, with a lot opportunities. Also not the kind of game I would create, but I don't see an issue to use Unity for that.

    Just my two cents.
     
  23. Grespon

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    I was going to say something like that, but you already said it all..
     
  24. Atmey

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    I am knocking on the issue too, there is a Japanese game site that sells explicit games and they are pretty good, I think you can publish the games there.

    When it came to targeting more mainstream, this idea came to me: 2 versions of the game: censored and uncensored, market the uncensored as the regular version, and the uncensored special version version exclusively sold on specific websites. If it were me, the censored version would be like Bayonetta, intercourses can be off-screen or cropped/zoomed, I don't know the exact amount of content to balance the scales, if someone knows please share. But I don't think would work if the game's core is about sex.
     
  25. jashan

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    I very much agree.

    Less offensive than Unity being used for gambling.
    Less offensive than Unity being used for military training.
    Less offensive than Unity being used for Zombie games.
     
  26. I am da bawss

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    Cos the power that be, decided that there are just too many people (OVERPOPULATION). Encouraging people to breed more people only lead to more wars and more deaths and more misery. Hence the power that be deemed "killing" as acceptable mass entertainment. "Procreation" on the other hand is still a taboo.
     
  27. Archania

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    The one thing everyone keeps missing and it is old - SEX sells.
    Like it or not.
     
  28. Uttpd

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    Went on surfing and apparently there is´t mush to look at... That or the lack of my past teenager reflexes.
    Anyway there is "Seduce Me" (removed by steam from their greenlight) and a bunch of hentai games that go under the genre Eroge (from Erotic games)
    So it appears to be a mostly unexplored genre by the western culture.
    If the Comics are any indication it will be a very very long road until adult sexual explicit games are broadly accepted, if ever.
     
  29. Grespon

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    Da Bawss, this is scary and, sadly, probably true...
     
  30. dogzerx2

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    Regarding overpopulation, if you think about it, the more teenagers channeling their uncontrollable hormonal desires thingy on playing fake virtual sex games, the less they're actually doing it for realsies, hence they wont be multiplying each other!
     
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    Pretty much this. I doubt that someone who actually has enough real intercourses plays such a games, or has more sex because of playing it. I would say it's the contrary.

    But I'm not sure if Bawss was serious there :D
     
  32. lmbarns

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    There are apps with nudity yet to be done that can be stimulating and classy.

    Example: Bachelorette AR party app. You get some firefighter/police/etc playing cards that are targets, when you point your phone/tablet's camera at them the models pop out doing a dance. You put all the cards together and the models do the ymca or similar :D That was one of numerous ideas that aren't raunchy porn apps but involve nudity for extra thrill. ;)

    I even thought about making the models in an AR app for guys demand in-game-currency before performing certain actions or removing certain clothes after "x" times. LOLOLOL

    Tons of stuff yet to be done
     
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  33. techmage

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    I have to admit..

    When I played the game surgery simulator I thought to myself that this same game play mechanic would be really awesome in a sex simulator game. Your mouse basically controls a penis, very poorly and with great difficulty, as well as great soft body physics! You must maneuver it to properly get a woman to orgasm.

    Then I thought woah some people would think thats F***ed up and iOS or Steam would never accept it.

    Then I thought I am F***ing digging into someones chest throwing their organs around, hacking them apart with a hammer and water bottle. How can a comical sex simulator possibly be more F***ed up?
     
  34. I am da bawss

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    When the said penis start digging into someones chest throwing their organs around....
     
  35. chelnok

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    Amen :)

    Best way to handle global overpopulation?

    0. Birthrate control (we dont want any adult games, ppl might thing sex is ok)
    1. War (CoD ..etc)
    2. Diseases (Zombi games)
    3. Traffic accidents (GTA)

    Perhaps after WW3 its okay to make some adult stuff :)
     
  36. Gigiwoo

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    References please. I suspect correlation, not causation.

    Gigi
     
  37. NTDC-DEV

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    (western civ only) A very US-centric case but still relevant; Making sex taboo and teaching things like 'abstinence' doesn't have any positive impact on birth rates. 2 sec google search and you get tons of articles like that ; http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/10/461402/teen-pregnancy-sex-education/

    Although I believe the only real issue is 'unwanted' births, so contraception is much more important than 'sex'.

    So yeah, Unity games to teach / have fun with sex and ensure contraception is not only 'good to have' but a 'must' is only good for society in general. Game-over if you have 'virtual sex' without protecting yourself or if as a woman, you get an unwanted pregnancy (who said sex games are for men only?).

    Sex is good, sex is fun... as long as it's safe; if Unity can help it stays like that, the better!

    I disagree. War isn't about to just vanish. As long as we live in a physical-wealth oriented society (capitalism), there will be people who will want to have what others have. Conflicts will arise and military forces will continue to exist. Military training type serious games are a far safer way to train those people and ensure the thousands of military personnel around the world don't have accidents, don't do collateral damage and aren't a danger to their colleagues. Also, it costs billions less than actual real-life training... that's money saved from governments to invest in fixing society (Sic semper tyrannis).
     
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  38. BTStone

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    This is the point. Unity does not help. Unity is just the tool. It's in the hands of the developers making a decent game about teaching sex or talking about it or just making an idiotic sex-game.
     
  39. NTDC-DEV

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    True, but sex-type of games with VR immersion (or not) that can be profitable for a mass-market public that accepts it is _not_ the reality right now.

    The discussion about the business case of such a product is quite relevant. Is the market ready? Can a good enough game 'change' the market? Even more, can a good enough game 'change' society perception of sex?

    Very interesting indeed as a discussion.

    Imagine two scenarios;
    - Creating a good game requires millions of $ and a game engine such as UDK, CryEngine to make.
    - Creating a good game requires a few 10 000$'s and Unity.

    That's what Unity enables. That's the whole business case behind Unity. If someone can make a 'sex' game for a public that see's it as 'taboo' in oh-so-many places, you won't invest millions $. But a few thousands might just do the trick and "deflower" a whole new un-tapped market (pun intended).
     
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  40. Hikiko66

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    Well, we'll never isolate that single variable and be able to test it over a long enough period of time and still have a sample size of data large enough that you are happy proves causation, will we? Nobody cares that much about the question.
     
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    Considering the game mechanics would be about 10x times more complex than for a generic shooter, yes, it will take some time until such games can be "played" rather than "watched".

    I wonder though if it is so damn motivated to focus on an activity that occupies about 30 minutes twice a week, and why it is so central in our lives despite at the same time being so marginal.

    I remember sex games already from the good old Commodore-64 era, mostly entailing shaking your joystick as quick as you can (I mean the plastic one) to speed up some "funky action" in glorious 16-color block graphics on the screen. I felt sorry for the joystick.
    God knows who made that stuff, I don't think there was a single real name in the credits.
     
  42. Gigiwoo

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    Completely unrelated. The earlier statement was that "pornography reduces birth rates" - a wild claim that needs backup.

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  43. Gigiwoo

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    Giving up so easy? Was intrigued that had some neat study linking pornography to birth rates. Bummer.

    Gigi.
     
  44. Gigiwoo

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    Cause it's deeply rooted in our biology and chemistry, and plastic as it is, the brain is still pre-wired for it.

    Gigi.
     
  45. NTDC-DEV

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    Depends on your perspective. Talking about sex awareness/comfort, in general (including pornography), is about someone's exposure to sex as a subject. Both educationally and as entertainment. You cannot teach about contraception effectively if the subject (sex) is taboo. If sex isn't taboo, then pornography wouldn't be either.

    So trying to treat pornography as a distinct entity, in the subject of 'birth rates' which is tightly coupled to contraception education, would be an error. Pornography, contraception education and adult games (a type of pornography) are all under the same subject; Sex. Thus my comment above, just linking them together.

    The earlier statement about 'pornography reduces birth rates' should be more 'being comfortable about sex reduces unwanted pregnancies". I don't think I need to argue about the 'other' variables here which are the westernization of society and higher education levels ( income), coupled with a less religion-dependent social fabric reduces birth rates (just look at demographics in western countries, direct correlation between children per family unit and those variables).
     
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  46. alexzzzz

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    So even black censor bars don't help?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgGNqat6mxI (made with Unity, btw)
     
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    We can't entirely isolate most of the other variables either. I could just proclaim that I think they are merely correlation and not causation (even though I don't think so) and you wouldn't be able to prove otherwise. You could only show me trending stats and hope I use common sense to realize that those things do impact the stats in a certain direction for obvious reasons.

    Sexual repression hyper sexualizes people.

    Conversely, indulging in a lot of pornography desensitizes people and undermines their drive for real sex.
    Pornography does not require consent, it is readily available, and it usually involves people you'd not be able to attract in real life, doing things people often won't do in real life. It is very "convenient" as a replacement for real sex. You don't even have to "perform".

    Now, if there is going to be a section of people that are not driven to find sex because their carnal needs are already being satisfied, even over indulged in, then less real sex is going to happen. If less sex is happening then less babies are being born.
     
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    ... by accident. When you have decided to make a new baby it doesn't matter how many times a day/year you had sex before the decision.

    PS
    By the way, if more porn means less babies, it also should mean less abortions.
     
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    People wanting what others have and people killing others in masses to get what they want are really two different kinds of things. One does not necessarily lead to the other and if you want something that someone else has, there's a lot more creative ways than trying to steal it using violence.

    I see your point about game-based military-training having certain benefits over alternative forms of military training - but I actually do believe that the idea of war is one of the most stupid ideas humans ever came up with and it's about time more people realized this and simply stopped supporting the psychopaths that do wage war.

    Of course, if enough people stay stupid enough there will be more war ... but what I said was just that I find Unity being used for military training more offensive than Unity being used for "games about making love".

    Something I would find rather awesome is "Unity being used for games educating about war". There are so many aspects to it, it's tremendously complex and games are an awesome way to let people have experiences that make them understand the issues a little better.

    Like ...



    One game worthy a mention in that context that actually was created using Unity is Global Conflicts: Palestine. Nicholas Francis was involved developing this game in the "really early days" of Unity ;-)​
     
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    I don't think anyone who is sane 'wants' war, so I do understand your point. But the main, core, issue here is that there is always something that someone wants that others posses. Now, wanting something that you don't have from someone is, I believe, a core human characteristic, just like sex is instinctual, we as humans want to better our life, that includes accumulation of possession(money) in our capitalistic world.

    It's both micro and macro too, from countries (political class) to individuals, money is power, power is money... everything else just transforms into/from it. So, if you can't change human nature, you're left to remove the one variable (money) that can be controlled.

    The only way to do so is, that's where you're 100% right, education. If we were to spend time and resources to educate everyone about history as much as we waste about entertainment(stupid entertainment, ala 99% on TV) then war wouldn't exist as we wouldn't be repeating the same errors and the population wouldn't allow its leaders to steer the country into that direction.

    But we live in a society that isn't, at all, educated nor empowering its citizens to change anything. Leaving us with most of the educated population not giving a s**t and the non-educated just staying in their ignorant bliss.

    The quote I love the most about our society is;

    How would you explain what a smartphone is to someone from 1800?
    - It's a device that I can use almost anywhere in the world to access the entire repository of knowledge of mankind (internet).
    - Wow! How do you use it?
    - I use it to look at cat pictures (entertainment), to tell everyone how I feel (facebook) and to ensure my memory is never practiced (immediate question-answer, no retention).

    Thus, war... and military forces are inevitable. That's why I believe saving lives with better training tools is far less offensive than anything else, including sex.

    At the end, Unity just helps by allowing to;
    1) build things to patch the problem (military serious games) and
    2) fix it (educational games). ;)

    So back to the sex subject; whatever that empowers people to create a product that can help us live as better humans (removing the taboo around sex and educating people about it) is a good thing.
     
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